The world will be of mixed race one day
Ever since I was a teenager I have marveled at the myriad colours that we Indians come in. So why is this? Why do we come in so many different colours and shades? The obvious answer is that we are a mix of different races…uh oh. I have used the wrong word. From this wiki article I came to know that the government frowns upon this idea. For some reason the government of India does not want us to know that India comprises of people of different races.
After the independence, in pursuance of the Government’s policy to discourage community distinctions based on race, the 1951 Census of India did away with racial classifications. The national Census of independent India does not recognize any racial groups in India. In India, “Dravidian”, “Indo-Aryan”, and similar words are generally considered as linguistic terms, rather than ethnic terms.
Well, we do know how keen the Indian government is to reduce any type of caste, racial and linguistic tensions. That is why the Indian government has tried so hard to unify India with one language (Hindi) believing that once people are brainwashed into believing that they are of one race and partake of one language, then they will feel ‘Indian.’ That this strategy hasn’t worked is evident today. In any case, why suppress the truth? How long can you put your head in the sand and pretend that we don’t belong to different races? If we are politically united today it is despite being of different ethnic origins, cultures, religions and languages. So let us make peace with the fact that we are different.
So what exactly are these races that Indians comprise of? Well, there is this theory of the Aryan invasion into North India eons back. But I won’t delve into this as there are those who claim that the Aryan Invasion theory is hogwash…but frankly this post is not about whether the Aryan Invasion theory is true or not as it is too complex a subject for me to tackle. Nor do I want to talk about the definitions of the various races in India. There is no authentic source for this and there isn’t enough research on the subject. Also I am a layman and therefore cannot offer an expert opinion. So what is this post about then?
Well, it is about some DNA tests that were carried out by a particular group…a Maharashtrian community called Konkanastha (Chitpavan) Brahmins. I am not a member of this community but I do know people of this community. I have always been intrigued as to their origin as these people are almost white and many of them have light tan or blue-green eyes. My nephew has these too, because his grandfather (from my sister-in-law’s side) has deep green eyes. Recently a German visitor to their home was surprised to see him and wanted to know whether he had European ancestry. But ofcourse this was not the case, my nephew is 100 percent Indian. That is what most people of the Konkansth Brahmin community will tell you. That they have no foreign blood. That they have no white ancestors. There is no evidence of any foreign ancestor. However, from the wiki I got this:
From the maternal DNA it appears that Konkanasthas (also known as Chitpavan Brahmins) have Central Asian and European DNA in their gene pool. On the paternal side they share genes with North Indians, Central Asians, and East Europeans.
Interesting isn’t it. We all know that some North Indians too share the fairer skin and sharper features of the Caucasian race. The wiki goes on to say that:
the presence of a deep common ancestry between the genes of those in the southern and western regions and northern regions remains a puzzle.
Many Kokanasthas themselves believe it is a big puzzle. There is this site on Konkanstha Brahmins and they too feel it is a mystery:
The explanation of the physical characteristics which are distinctly Caucasian…is lost in the mist of times gone by.
Is it really such a big mystery? Another site on Konkansthas seems to have the answers. This group of people have carried out DNA tests on the community. They say:
Chitpavan-brahmin share ancestry with conspicuously European-looking Pagan or Alpine group, who under religious pressure had migrated from Anatolian Turkey or East Europe to the Gujarat coast probably via sea-vessel. Besides, their (Konkanasthas) documented history is untraceable beyond 1000 years, further indicating that they were not part of the original Vedic migrations (early Indo-European)…
In other words this means that a group of East Europeans are responsible for the genes in the Konkanstha community. This migration was fairly recent (according to the genome analyses) and the theory is that they landed up in India via the trade route to Gujarat. This group of foreigners then migrated to India’s western coast and then moved further south to the Konkan region and made it their home.
Interestingly, the fair-skinned green-eyed Aishwarya Rai is from the Bunt community from the coastal regions of western Karnakata. It is entirely possible that migrants from Europe went further south along the coast and populated those areas as well. In fact a serious study as to the genetic orgin of the Bunts is under way and perhaps we will get more answers then.
Ofcourse it is also possible that the Portuguese who ruled various parts of India, like Daman and Goa or the French who ruled parts of South India or the British left their genes somewhere in the Indian gene pool. But the fact is that they never really became Indians and therefore it is unlikely that their genes made a significant mark here. More important, if these invaders had intermarried (which they did) with the locals their genes would only run in families, not whole communities. And there are large communities in India which share common ancestry with Caucasians. And these communities are Hindu. These people are deeply entrenched in Indian soil and cannot think of themselves as having any foreign ancestor.
The difference between say the Konkanastha community and the Parsis is worth mulling over. Everyone knows the history of the Parsis, that they migrated from Iran to escape religious persecution but the fact that they kept their religion made them distinct from the rest of India. They were proud Zoroastrians although they adopted the local language, dress and culture (of Gujarat).
India is a melting pot of different genes. There are also indications (and controversies) that groups of Africans migrated to certain locations in South India and intermarried with the locals. We Indians are a mix of many different races.
This mixing is inevitable as we are all of one nationality and we all live together. But even though we know that various races live inside of us, we don’t think about it much. Nor do we know for sure which genes we carry. For some reason our origins are shrouded in mystery and because of the caste tensions people seem hesitant to talk of race and caste. Well, whether we want to know the truth or not, the truth is that we Indians are not of one race.
In a foreign country, it is easy to know if you are a mixed race person and no one hesitates to talk about it. It is interesting to note that in Britain the ‘Mixed races’ are UK’s fastest-growing ethnic group. Due to Britain’s migration policies people of different races settled there years ago and as a result the population profile is changing rapidly.
On current trends, mixed-race babies will soon outnumber those born to black couples in Britain. The last census showed that people of mixed race make up the third-largest minority group behind Indians and Pakistanis. But with half of them aged 16 or younger, they are the fastest growing. In time, people of mixed race will become Britain’s largest ethnic minority.
A time will come when it will become rare to find anyone of purely of one race. India is a prime example of this melting pot which has been churning for thousands of years. Today, if you take the example of the Konkanasthas it will be difficult to find a pure specimen under the age of 25 (going back say over 6-7 generations). Their genes are rapidly merging into the larger pool of the Indian population, not just Maharashtrians. Those who have migrated abroad are mixing their genes with another lot…in another thousand years who knows what will happen. If there will be anyone left who is pure anything.
That is the future of the world.
(Collage is by me and all photos in the collage are by me except the Aishwarya Rai picture, which is from the Ashfanclub)
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Nita,
Genetic mingling leading to s variety of anthropological types is perfectly natural in littoral locales that lie along historic trade routes. It is only in very isolated locations — the deep, forested interiors of major land masses; islands separated from continents by thousands of miles of ocean — that genetic/racial purity is possible to maintain. And even in those situations, not too often. Nor is it very desirable in small communities. The risks attendant upon interbreeding are well known.
PS: Corrections — In the last sentence, “inbreeding” not “interbreeding”; and in the first sentence, “…leading to ‘a’, not ’s’ variety….”
and by looking at the number of asians in the world, most likely the world would be soon be neither white nor black, but beige in color.
It’s an interesting post, definitely, but your harping on the idea that we’re “all one country, one nationality” blah blah, I think, only creates more problems because no one thinks like this.
“Race” is only a problem in the West where there is discrimination.
The fact of that matter is, India, since time immemorial has always cared more about culture/ethnicity and religion (both intertwined, obviously) then they have about blood, although this hardened (caste and race) during the Muslim invasions and during the British times.
Marathas, especially, have, historically, absolutely no claim on a homogenous society. A better example would’ve been Rajputs who have strict marital laws.
Even caste acts the same way I feel. Who knows how you came to be what caste you are - Jatt, Rajput, Chitpavan, whatever, a lot of it has to do with culture because you can’t exactly prove blood.
Vivek, as you said trade routes are a route for migration! Interestingly though genetic purity is difficult to maintain, there are groups which try hard to maintain it but nowadays they are failing due to increased mobility of people.
Ankur, my thoughts exactly.
Ashwin, thanks for your comment…but hey, we are one country, one nationality whether you like it or not.
Secondly there is a problem of discrimination in India too because of caste and caste if related to race although some do not agree.
Thirdly, I have not mentioned Marathas (the Kshatriya caste of Maharashtrians) at all in my post, so I am a bit flummoxed by your reference.
Fourthly, I can’t agree that blood cannot be proved. Today scientific techniques of DNA can prove blood. In fact I don’t think you can prove culture as people take on the culture of the place they migrate to.
@Ankur,Nita: If everone would be beige: That way all the people will actually match with the color of the car interiors etc, natural camouflage.
>>> India is a prime example of this melting pot which has been churning for thousands of years.<<<
So hopefully with mixed-race faces in racial nations, the way of identifying / defining people with who is ‘”black” and who is “white” label gonna go blurred.
good post…..inter breeding of races will I think lead to a more equal world
great post, Nita!
Did you mention that mixing DNA gives the physical beauty?
As I wrote on my post on Russian woman, Russians are also quite a mixture of many races. This is mostly the reason for the facial beauty. Since my childhood I was considering Indian as the most beautiful people in the world! - and I still do.
Another thing is about the title of the article:The world will be of mixed race one day.
I remember reading one prediction which says that in 1000 years the whole world will be one race, looking like this: tall, peach-skinned, light eyes and generally beautiful people… And, hopefully living in peace with each other
Looking at the growing popularity of the inter-cultural / inter-racial marriages worldwide, I can easily believe that!
Oh yes, I would definitely like my great grandchildren to be Green-eyed and white as flour.
I am always telling my parents that they should not be adverse to the idea of me getting married to a French of German girl. But all I get it a hard, cold stare.
Anshul,
Bharath, yeah a time will come when there will be no mixed race lable either, because everyone will be of mixed race!
Rahul, I am sure we human beings will find something else to browbeat others!
Axinia, I do know that mixing of DNA of different races makes the progeny more healthy but I am not sure about the beauty part. Also, I have not read anywhere that people will be peach skinned in another 1000 years. In any case, I don’t believe that, even if it were desirable! The dark genes are more dominant and it is likely that most people will be a nice brown, not peach. I also find light eyes not at all beautiful in fact I find them eerie. guess it is a cultural preference. But dark eyes are more dominant and eventually those with light eyes will reduce in number.
Amit, if it wasn’t for that smilie I would have been worried!
But if you ask me nothing is as beautiful as a smooth brown skin, black fathomless eyes and shiny black hair. That’s just my personal preference. 
I like to believe more in the Darwin’s theory of evolution. So, we are already a single race! as we have descended from …… well iam not supposed to use that extremely racial word….. yeknom (dont read it from right to left), or if you want an easier clue…… monkeyyyyyyy (dont omit the six y’s inbetween).
Destination Infinity
I was recently having trouble explaining to my son the definition of the word ‘race’. Because, forever, we have all been mixed race. Peoples of the world have been migrating, or trading, since the bronze age at least, and racial characteristics have never been stable. I myself am 15/16 Caucasian, and 1/16 Asian, and that’s just the bit I know about! The only thing that we can describe with any certainty is the colour of people’s skin, which of course is a very superficial judgment and not of any value. I, therefore, am white. But I agree with Nita that ‘nothing is as beautiful as a smooth brown skin, black fathomless eyes and shiny black hair.’ Oooh, I’m thinking of … a very long list!
I’m spanish (well, catalan, in fact) I have always found indian people very atractive, I realised that, in my opinion, they have kind of european feature in the faces mixed with dark and shinny skin.
For example: black people in general have specific features (nose, mouth, teeth), also chinese, japanese (this are the most evident examples) but indians feature are in many cases quite “western”…then their PURPLE skin, let u know they are indian. Thats a great mix I think! Beautiful people!
I love your blog, Nita. Very interesting!!!
funnily enough we have people who talk of “pure blood”…….and also what community we belong decides what we have to follow…sometimes it is just too much to carry around…
I welcome the idea of the whole world as a melting pot. It resonates with my idealistic and naive values.
By the way, so far as I’ve heard, Nita, the term “race” has no meaning in biology when referring to humans. That’s to say, to a biologist, races don’t exist. However, I can’t recall the explanation for that bit of trivia. Maybe one of your other readers will help out.
I’ll take the opposite position Nita. I think as the world becomes more accessible, more and more the ethnic lines are hardening. No matter the ‘race’ or ‘culture’, more and more, purity is desired when seeking mates. Skin tone is more important when it matches than when it’s different. Skin color trumps religion or culture nearly every time.
@Paul. You are correct from the standpoint of DNA. There are no races between humans because the markers which result in skin, hair and the like are very few and random. The only race is the differences in primates, such as humans to chimpanzees.
Lets not get carried away race is an identity that won’t melt away in the forseable feature,the west may have become far more relaxed about it but let us not forget that the west is <10% of humanity and even here to say that we live in a post race world is silly.
in other regions such as china,africa and the arab world race is still a very important factor as far as identity is concerned.
As for the stated belief that race has no scientific basis well I beg to differ I mean from a scientific standpoint our DNA is 97% that of a chimpanzee so how many consider chimpanzees 97% human?The point is we don’t understand exactly which part of the human genome is responsible for what therefore one is in no position to comment on whether there is a scientific concept of race or not we know there are markers for eye colour,hair colour etc but I frankly don’t believe in the theory that all this is because of climate induced mutation just to give you an example the arabs who have been living in the desert for at least 10,000 years are significantly fairer than senagalese who have been living in a near mediteranean climate the native americans and eskimos who have been living in a north european type climate for atleast as many years are actually darker than most chinese who have been living in asignificantly warmer climate
In addition it is hard to fathom a climatic condition which could split humanity very broadly into caucasians and mongoloid sub types.
absolutely fantastic post!!! very well thought out. I’ll agree with you Nita and say that Yes, Mixed Race is the next big thing for humanity (if it survives that is)!
an eternal pessimist Roop hehe
This writing made me think back on my lifelong fascination with ‘differences’ especially in the variety of details in which my own species is manifested. I, for one am a stew of Georgian Russian, German, Greek, Hungarian and who knows, maybe generations back, possibly Ottoman Turk had been added to the mix. I hope that in the case of future blending of varietals of our group we dont lose the richness in a bland , beige soup of humanity. But i doubt that can happen, and that permutations of our characteristics will provide the neccessary spice of “difference”. G
Interesting post. Much more interesting than the reviews of copycat movies!
I read recently that all blue-eyed people are related genetically to each other. Can’t give a reference off-hand, though!
Just a thought: We all believe in the Caucasian concept of beauty because they had the resources to propogate the idea that Caucasians are the most beutiful ones. Supposing Africans were the ones with all the resources and had they spread their concept of beauty, then everybody right now would have wanted to have African features.
I think this idea is deceptive in several ways:
1). Scienticfically.
Consider the simple example below
A) 1, 3, 5, 7, 9….
B) 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 …..
Matching the terms in A and B, the difference in each pair is 1, that is 2 -1 =1, 4-3=1, etc. Yet the difference between any two terms in either A or B is at least 2, eg. 3-1=2, 10-2=8 etc. Does that mean A and B are not well defined? No! A is the set of all odd numbers and B all even numbers. I agree with Krenim with his example with the Chimpanzee and human.
I am 100% sure scienticists are aware of this (basic logical thinking, if not, not a true scientist, at least not a mathematician), then why they pretend not to know and pretend that race doesn’t exist? That lead to my second point
2) White men’s embarrassment.
They have committed so many racial crimes, a way out is to say that race does not exist. I have been seeing this sort of mentality again and again in USA. I am not going to exploit it here.
3) More may not mean richer, more often, it means mediocrity. Mixing all colors in an artist’s palette, we get grey. I have seen very beautiful eastern European girls and African girls, their beauty are the results of their uique racial chacracters. To me, east Asian girls are the more attractive, and with very lasting youth. These qualities shouldn’t be mixed out either.
4) False ideology.
We can be different and respect either other, or we can tolerate each other only when we look the same. The later is a false kind of idealism. Not sure how this came up in other parts of the world, again, in Northern America, it has something direct to do with the white men’s hypocrisy and stubborness of refusing a true confession. Again, do not want to exploit it here.
on Kobras , i was given this exp also by my mom and i found something similar
kokanstha
i for one believe in the out of India theory
wiki
some people might also brand u as upper caste elitist due to ur usage of word brahmin 6 times
u mentioned the bunts but not the saraswats of the same region they have an interesting history too
u should also read about the dards of ladakh/ drass etc
overall this is a great post and i must say u have done a lot of hard work on this one
Destination Infinity, don’t hesitate to use that word!
You know we use the term liberally in India and it’s not an insult!
Joss, as you said it’s what one looks like that one becomes.
Francina, thank you!
Vishesh, reminds one of Harry Potter doesn’t it!
Paul, I am not a biologist so I cannot say. But finally it is the superficial characteristics that distinguish us, like Josh said.
Brian, I see your point. I guess when minorities are small in number no one really cares, but once they start becoming a dominant feature, people start becoming more conscious of it.
Krenim, I too am not convinced by the climate theory. But it must play a part. And no one is saying that there will be a post- race world, not really. If it ever happens in a couple of thousand years I am sure we will find some racial characteristics to distinguish humanity by.
Roop Rai, thanks.
Gugin, thanks for the detailed comment.
Suburban, you are right we won’t really be one colour! The beige was mentioned in a light manner. In fact India is an example of the fact that people will never be of one colour or one type.
Rambodoc, I am sure that’s true, about the blue-eyes. But only if you go back long enough I am sure all of us too will find some common ancestor!
Manu you are right, but I personally do not believe in the caucasian idea of beauty. I have seen stunningly beautiful African women and I have lived in Africa for many years. In fact I think many people of caucasian origin too share this feeling and the number of inter marriages between black and white people are proof of that. I think it is mostly Indians who have this strange idea that only pale skin is beautiful.
Prax, thanks but no I didn’t take too long to write this one.
Just been thinking of it for some time. About the Out of India theory that the so-called ‘Aryans’ were original inhabitants of this country, well I have an open mind. I too personally am very suspicious of the idea that some group of Aryans migrated to India in pre vedic times.
About the Brahmin word, I am not afraid to write the word Brahmin. And Prax, if some idiot thinks that writing about a Brahmin community like the Chitpavans makes someone an elitist, I cannot help them
Well Prax, that was on one of my posts on reservation and in fact I had written that I am pro-reservation if it is based on economic considerations! So you can guess what a retard that person was because he wanted the elite of the castes (rich people) to benefit from reservations! Well, I can’t do anything about stupid brainless people can I! - Nita.
Very interesting and informative post. This is one of my favourite topics to research and read about. Since recorded history, India has gone through numerous invasions and movement of all sorts of people/races. Caucasions ( Aryans , Greeks, British), Middle Eastern ( Arabs, Afghans), Persians, Turks , Mongols ( Changez khan) & even Africans ( Some evidence suggests that original inhabitants of Indian subcontinent ( known as dravidians ) trace their roots to Negroid races of Africa.
I agree that Aryan theory is debated, but is still the most widely accepted theory by many historians.
Iam pretty certain that quite a few Indians are coming from mixed ancestaries & nobody can really pin point the exact source. I never thought about it much until I realized that -probably due to my different skin tone & features- I am almost always taken as a Spanish, Arabic or mixed rather than an Indian by people here. Besides, there are some people among my close relatives ( my first cousin sister & one of my chacha) who have very fair complexion plus blue/light eyes & who could easily pass off as pure caucasians..on the other hand, their other brothers/sisters look like regular Indians.
And, none of my grandparents, great gp’s or even further ancestors I know of were non-Indian. Iam not sure from where it is coming from…they say that sometimes a gene can show up even after 10 generations!!
I started noticing that how some Indians -especially Punjabis/Kashmiris- could easily pass off as Persians/Turkish/Spanish and vice versa.
Living in one of the most multicultural cities of the world, I live and intereact closely with almost whole of the world everyday.
I realize that though at many levels people coming from different cultures/countries could be quite different from each other, but fundamentally we are ridiculously similar and , more importantly, are becoming more and more similar in other subtle dimensions too. Is it because of more mobility in terms of both human and intellectual capital? I am not sure…
I remember some time back I was discussing all this with an extremely well read and perceptive 77 years old American friend of mine & he remarked that 500 years from now, there would have been so much mixing of races that most people will have uniform coffee color complexion. And then, he said jokingly to me, ‘ person of your skin color will be a white man in that society’..
But, I guess I would love to have that coffee complexion instead..
On a different note, Iam amazed at your ability to blog so comprehensively & just for the love of expressing/sharing your views…I wonder if this is your full time vocation or you do it along with some other job/full time commitment..
Whatever, Congrats for the good work!!
Lallopallo, thanks for sharing your personal experience. Like you, this issue interests me a lot too, and I have been thinking of it a lot for many years in fact. Mostly I have been a little confused about it all as very little information is available on the subject. There is no doubt that many Punjabis share genes with Caucasians, but how exactly one doesn’t know. My feeling is that if we assume that the Aryan Invasion theory is wrong (just an assumption!) then couldn’t it be possible that people from Europe and Central Asia migrated to North India and mixed with the local population. And we know that the Mughals were fairskinned and tall.
We have these type of people in our family too, from my dad’s side. Extremely fair with light eyes, but while my brother seems to have inherited the brown hair and light tan eyes I haven’t. I guess when his genes combined with my sister-in-law who is very white and comes from a family of white skinned green-eyed people, their progeny got the same characteristics. Interestingly, my sis-in-law’s sister who is even whiter than her and has deep green eyes has regular looking black eyed and black haired kids and that is because her husband is on the darker side. No doubt the dark genes always dominate.
I agree with you on the mobility aspect. It’s the mobility which is making us more similar. Today I could easily fit into American society, at least superficially, as I have some western values.
And thanks for that appreciative note about my blog. Well, I blog about 3 hours a day on an average, but that includes everything, fiddling around with the template, widgets, reading other blogs, answering comments etc. The actual research and writing at times takes up to 4 hours a day and at times just an hour. Often I research several subjects at a time and write about 4-5 posts at a time. Not fully, just parts of them.
I do some other work, but that is part-time. I guess that makes my blogging also part-time as well. But I do put in a lot of effort and I do it for the love of it. Thank you Lallopallo.
This is a very interesting topic. Great post!
Imagine if: 1 day, ‘Mixy -Mixies’, (’Mixed- Raced’ people), like myself, ‘were even more Powerful, then the ‘whites”, -thus ‘ruling the World’, As ‘the PURE -Whites’, DO NOW!!!!!!
India, should ‘ve ‘Unity’, in my opinion. It should have -any citizens, who enter it and/or who live in it, have to sign -up to: ‘Patriotism -Agreements’, to ‘do what is best, for the Nation’ and also; - Mahatma Ghandi, said that -’It is time, for an Indian Flag, for which, -All Indians, no matter -what Religion/Background -all people, in -India, should live and die for’; in -relation, to ‘the Founding, of the Indian Flag’. I also- think, this should apply to: ‘N.R.I.s’ and All of ‘Asia’, With a ‘United Asian Flag’ and there should be -’N.R.A.’s’, - ‘Non -Resident Asians’, who -’support it too’!!
Best Regards -Mike/Kavey.
P.S.: Please read -up, on my other -work. http://www.myspace.com/michaelshenton
Calling a fellow human,a monkey, is indeed an insult Nita. Insult to the monkey!
Destination Infinity.
Nita, thanks for your follow up comment to my comment. Yes, I agree that people from Europe & central Asia might have come to India at some point of time rather than so called Aryans coming around 1500 BC..infact, some of the historians have now started to believe that there was no race such as Aryans..
There are many possibilities….
More than europeans coming and mixing with us, I think it has to do with variations in pigmentation. This link sums it up:
http://panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400
Here you can see blue eyed tamilian, blond haired africans etc. The invasion and mix up theory for the existence of certain features in the people is just an incomplete research, I think.
I am a Ko Bra and I have seen a totally puzzled look on people’s faces when I tell them I am Indian. Even in Israel nobody was willing to accept that. Your post makes a very interesting reading Nita (and partly because I can associate myself with this mixed races thing) !
Nita,
(This comment is being posted late because my server was down for a few days)
Your response to Ashwin, “… I have not mentioned Marathas (the Kshatriya caste of Maharashtrians) at all in my post, so I am a bit flummoxed by your reference … ” is rather surprising.
I believe he is using the term Maratha in its original sense — inhabitants of the Maharatta country (i.e. Maharashtra); speakers of the Marathi language. This is how most non-Maharashtrians interpret it, because that is how it is used in the history books. The sense of the term that you refer to is a post-Shivaji — perhaps even post-Peshwai — creation. Even the Peshwas (1713-1818), who were Chitpavan Brahmins, were covered by the term Maratha.
As to the Maratha caste, it is generally accepted by scholars across the ideological spectrum that they were originally agriculturists. The martial achievements of their caste-fellow Shivaji and, later, several others, inspired them to proclaim themselves as Kshatriyas. The equation {Maratha=Kshatriya} is thus of relatively recent origin (less than three centuries).
It is well known that Shivaji’s coronation ran into an obstacle because the Brahmin pandits of Maharashtra refused to crown him on the grounds that he was “not a Kshatriya”. This impasse was resolved with the intervention of a learned Brahmin from Kashi (Varanasi).
Even today, while the subject is no longer one of debate in Maharashtra, the orthodox Rajputs (Suryavanshi, Somavanshi and Agnivanshi alike) do not readily concede the Kshatriya credentials of Shivaji and, by extension, of the Maratha community.
interesting article…the one thing I would like to point out is that…if we are speaking of racial disparity…then we DO need to take a look at Darwins theory of evolution…My take on the whole issue is that due to the natural progression of the earths climate…eg. more trapped gasses and sunlight, we will need protection from these extremes in the future…lets say 100 years…now if we are thinking 1000 years then we need to think seriously about protection from the environment…what does that leave us you ask? well, probably the humans that will be able to thrive in these conditions will be the darker skinned brethren of the earth…while the lighter skinned humans will have difficutly surviving the extremes…we can see it now with the white Australians that have a higher degree of skin cancer than anyone else..So basically, I hope my progeny has my natural melotinin protection and I advise the rest of the world to find a mate that can give your children the blessings of a natural sun protectant…I hope my kids are a nice shade of copper :)———–
“Race” is only a problem in the West where there is discrimination. This Quote, is untrue. Unfortunately, many people, in India, ‘re ‘racist, to the black people’, however, under terms, like -’Darky’/'Coloured’, what ‘Pure- Whites’/even other people, used, to put us down, we should ‘unite together, to fight our 1 common enemy; Nazism’……
Even ‘Mixed- Raced’ people, like me, using terms, like -’1/2-Caste’/'1/2 breed’, should, be kinder, to ‘darker’/'colored people’, ‘migrants’ and other-groups. ‘Nazis’, hope, to ‘defeat -us’, too!!
Living in the west (the US) for many years and observing and interacting with people,a view on how the matter of race of a person is decided:
Definition of white vs colored a) you must not have non-white physical characteristics- kinky hair, colored skin, thick lips, broad nose b) you must not have non-white blood, which includes Asian,African, Native blood. The one-drop theory which states that a single drop of (inherited) non-white blood classifies you as colored. Most of the European countries also follow this rule for discrimination. Globally whites are at the top of the spectrum (with light skinned people at the top in non-white countries) with blacks (or darkskinned) being at the bottom in most countries. To uphold their ascendancy, they have purported the view that skin-color based caste structures existed in countries prior to colonization. It is the other way round, they prevailed because colonial interests supported and propogated them aggressively. The Aryan Invasion was one of the myths created by western interests. In fact, there was no invasion but largely peaceful (with occasional skirmishes between tribes) downward movement of pastoral tribes called Aryans who hailed from Central Asia and Afghanistan. They mixed with the local indigenous population though significant part of their culture, language and traditions dominated over the locals. There was lot of give and take between the Aryans and the local tribes and lot of intermixing. Lot of other races also arrived and intermixed with the local populations at different periods. This is proof of the racial, skin tone, genetic diversity in the current Indian popuation. Moreover a person’s caste was based on the varna or division (occupational division, not skin color which also means varna) of the person.
I think the question of a Portuguese gene pool is irrelevant as the Chitpavan Brahmins have a history that predates the arrival of the Portuguese in India. Also unlike the Nordic races with which the Chitpavans share some features, the Portuguese belong to a Mediterraneans race.
Also none of these studies have addressed the questions why Chitpavans (having green eyes, fair skin etc) don’t posses a light color of hair like the true Nordic races.
The Australian aborigines posses blond hair. Does this make them immigrants from say east Europe
I too am chitpavan but have jet black eyes and a slightly stuuby nose. I do have fair skin. Does this make me 1/4th European while my cousins who have green eyes and a pointed nose and fair skin are 3/4th European. Come on, we all are Indians.
Thanks for your comment! Ofcourse we are all Indians…it’s just that one likes to know where that white skin came from!
- Nita.
Im kind of surprised to see some andhrities are fairer, infact I have observed this with in the same caste. I cannot conclude that people belong to this particular caste are fairer than others. How is it possible could someone explain this?
Dont be surprised to see my next comment….. “I dont feel like Indian anymore…lol”
Interesting article Nita!Something that I have been curious about all my life.I am on the fairer side,but wont be classified as fair with black hair and brown eyes,average Indian features.
My sister on the other hand is really fair and has the classic blue eyed Kobra features.She had a shock of golden hair at birth,but later on in life it turned into a very light brown.People are still surprised at her childhood photos.My uncle and his wife are both with typical Indian features with brown eyes and black hair,but all their 4 kids were born with green eyes!Amazing how nature works.
Regarding the history of Kobras,it is probably before the Portugese arrived.From what my grandfather used to tell me,Kobras are derived to Ashkenazi Jews,who either came there from the sea as traders or were shipwrecked !
Even today there are a few Jew communities along the Alibaug to Ratnagiri coast.A lot of them have migrated to Israel in the last 50 years,so not many of them around anymore.
I am all for intermixing!Let nature work its wonders on the human race.
thanks for sharing that! - Nita.