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Some opinions of India from Pakistan

February 25, 2008
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With the elections on in Pakistan, the country has been on my mind. A new era seems to be dawning out there but at least for now I won’t be writing about that…what I have been musing on is what the average Pakistani thinks of India. It seems to me that even though India is a shining example of a working democracy Pakistanis don’t think very highly of our country.

Anti-India feelings in Pakistan I believe are quite strong. Those who follow the Pakistani newspapers and letters are probably aware of this and also that this anti-India feeling extends to India-bashing. A Pew Global survey has also shown that the majority of Pakistanis have an unfavourable opinion of India. We too engage in a fair amount of Pak bashing…the sad thing is that the truth gets lost somewhere inbetween…

This isn’t a jingoistic post about India being better than Pakistan, but just an attempt to understand Pakistani attitudes towards India. A letter written by Wajeeha Shahid in the Dawn (letter not available on the internet) said that “Pakistan, if not better, is not worse than India by any means…”

This brought forth a response by her fellow citizen in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Quoting the letter:

Lessons from the neighbour

THIS is apropos of Wajeeha Shahid letter, ‘Drawing lessons from India?’ (Feb 11), where in her opinion Pakistan, if not better, is not worse than India by any means.
This is a fact that India is doing far better than many countries in the world, let alone Pakistan, and there is no harm in learning lessons from India and follow their path of progress, prosperity and self-reliance.
Due to the nature of my work, I have been travelling to various European countries almost every month for the last several years.
Over the last couple of years I have seen a tremendous increase in the number of Indian (mostly not having more than a couple of years postgraduate experience) all over filling in engineering jobs. It is very seldom that I find any Pakistani engineers. Most big names (including my employer) have tremendous growth plans in India and even R&D centre of many such engineering organisations are now operating out of Bangalore and Hyderabad.
Yes I do find Pakistanis as well — either working as taxi drivers, running restaurants or similar jobs.
I do agree with her statement that Indians glorify their average achievement, culture and norms. Yet again, this is also an art. If they can run advertisement on CNN and BBC glorifying their country and labelling as ‘Incredible India’; did someone stop Pakistan from doing the same? Why doesn’t Pakistan learn a lesson from India and venture into something similar?
There are certainly problems in India, with respect to literacy rate, traffic congestion and many others, but still India has other reasons to be proud of

A CONCERNED PAKISTANI
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

Another interesting letter in reaction to the the same Wajiha Shahid’s letter:

THIS is apropos of the letter by Wajiha Shahid, ‘Drawing lessons from India?’ (Feb 11), and stating that Indians are aggressively following western culture in styles of dressing etc. I would like to point out that some amount of imbibing of other cultures is inevitable in a global economy and even my Pakistani brothers and sisters are not aloof from this.
However, the Pakistan President is invariably dressed in a smart western suit most of the time, not only during his visits abroad but even when meeting fellow Pakistanis within his own country. In contrast, the Indian prime minister always dresses in a white kurta-pyjama in India and a ‘bandh gala’ Indian design suit when on trips abroad.
The Pakistan president should set an example of national pride by dressing more in traditional Pakistani clothes rather than dressing like the western heads of state, then the Pakistani people will see him as more of their own president rather than a representative of Mr Bush.

RAGHAV UPADHYAY

Another letter (link not available) published in the Dawn:

Kashmir issue

THIS is apropos of Musavir Gajani’s letter, ‘Kashmir
issue’ (Feb 13) wherin he says that he always wished
to talk to the Indian government and negotiate
regarding the Kashmir issue as it will be no less than
a revolutionary step if he succeeds in this holy
objective to get the 7,718,700 (1991 Indian census)
Kashmirir people free and to bless them with their
legitimate and moral rights to join Pakistan.
It is also suggested that Mr Gajani will take on the
revolutionary step of freeing Pakistan from the
clutches of dictators and feudals first so that in
case he succeeds in his holy objective of liberating
the people of Kashmir and making them a part of
Pakistan, the Kashmiris do not feel that they have yet
to fight another war of independence.

ANIL KHAN LUNI
Sweden

I want to close with a small quote from Jug Suraiya’s piece on India-Pakistan:

Despite its farmer suicides, its Maoist insurrections affecting 165 districts, its appalling record of infant mortality which is worse than that of either Nepal or Bangladesh, its continuing caste and gender oppression, India stands in the international community as a unique experiment in political, social and economic unity, predating the European Union by decades (emphasis mine). On the other side of the border, having pulled back from the brink of being a failed state and ‘the most dangerous place in the world’, post-poll Pakistan is on the precarious threshold of a new hope and a new beginning…

I want to clarify that Jug Suraiya is not favourite columnist and nor do I agree with everything he writes, or the general tone of the article from which I have quoted… but well, the words which I quoted above resounded with me.

(These letters were sent to me by my cousin Ranjit)

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46 Comments leave one →
  1. February 25, 2008 10:14 am

    how did u source these letters if they r not available online

  2. Raj permalink
    February 25, 2008 10:21 am

    Nita,

    Thanks for a balanced article.It is true that people on both sides of the Radcliffe Line view each other with deep suspicion,mistrust and even hatred.

    Whether they learn from us or we learn from them does not really matter.Both the countries have their own problems and it is about time that we get rid of them.

    The past cannot be undone.We cannot undo what led to the events of 1947.What we can do is to look forward to the future.We can be Indians or Pakistanis but we can still think as South Asians.Sadly,the SAARC concept usually exists only on paper apart from a few conferences.All the South Asian countries have similar problems.It is about time we ‘unite in thought’ and find a solution that can be applied to our shared region-South Asia.This can also sort out things like the Kashmir dispute,that may never be sorted out otherwise.

    It is here that we need to learn from the European Union.The Europeans have been torn apart by strife and wars since time immemorial.But they did ‘unite in thought’ to find a common solution to the problems that affected their countries.The results are there for all to see.Though they may be a young federation,they are kilometres (miles) ahead of any other supra-national federation,even the ASEAN.No other federation in the world is a patch on the E.U. except maybe the Swiss Confederation.India (and other individual countries of South Asia) need to learn from Switzerland and South Asia as a whole needs to learn from the E.U.

    As Indians and South Asians,I agree that we are in no way inferior to the Swiss or the Europeans.We can even better them and serve as a model for the rest of the world if only we apply our minds instead of indulging in stupid and useless things like imposing something on others.This is not the way forward.We would only move backwards if people continue to do such stupid things.

  3. February 25, 2008 10:23 am

    Ankur, two of them are available online but only in Google cache. And the other is not available…though it was earlier. Newspapers usually don’t keep all the letters for long on their site, and even google cache has a life. So I don’t know how long even those two will be available.
    In any case, it was my cousin Ranjit, who is an avid followed of Indo-Pak politics who sent me the letters, which he got from the Dawn site. I have mentioned it now in the post.

  4. February 25, 2008 10:34 am

    Raj, I tend to feel that we are superior to the Europeans in terms of unity! Heck, we’ve lived together as one country for long and in relative harmony.
    And thanks for mentioning SAARC. I had written about Pakistan’s reluctance to participate in the last SAARC summit but had forgotton to link it to this article. In fact I had not even tagged it under ‘Pakistan’ and therefore did not remember it!

  5. February 25, 2008 10:52 am

    well,now i feel like an idiot…shouldn’t i be outthre telling pakistan sucks or something…how come we don’t get that inclination…is it because i was thought about the great India,the subcontinent which was one before partition?

  6. Raj permalink
    February 25, 2008 11:00 am

    Nita,

    Yes,I agree that we have been ‘united’ so far.But our ‘unity’ is not real ‘unity’.Ours is MERELY ‘diversity in unity’ and not what we think it is.REAL unity is ‘unity in diversity’ which is what the Swiss and the Europeans have shown to the world.No wonder they are scorching ahead at a furious pace while we are experiencing the problems that result from our kind of ‘unity’ :-(

  7. krenim permalink
    February 25, 2008 4:59 pm

    we did you a huge favour by partitioning you :)
    Discussed ad nauseum elsewhere.

    I mean think of the quality human capital Pathans,baluchis and bangladeshis(300mn +in total) :lol

  8. February 25, 2008 7:12 pm

    have u read cowasji who is a columnist at dawn ?
    i find him very frank and interesting-ive linked to him

    we are still better off and dont have school books teaching us to hate pakistan -terror low intensity wars and the onground facts and the clubbing of pakistani nationals with indians (in the west) make indians hate them…(bend it )

    we(congressi) indulge in glorification of the duo nehru and gandhi and family(to the extent of being so anti democratic that we censor any negative comments blindly) (read lavkare on gandhi ), we are also indulge in jinnah bashing – without even studying his life- overall he wasnt that evil and had socialist leanings in the beginning – infact he defended L B G Tilak and was a good patron of bombay -people built a hall in his name from public funds – jinnah hall next to congress house (now famous for its post independence womanizing legacy of the congress). – agreed he went senile and radical later on in life – who wouldnt – if they got the prime ministership of a state?

    letter of Jug Suraiya -rare bit of meaningful blabber?

    I have not read cowasji, but shall check him out. thanks. – Nita.

  9. February 25, 2008 8:45 pm

    Raj, I don’t agree that we don’t have real unity. We have political unity and the internal problems that we have, well, these can be sorted out if the govt. has a will. All countries have some sort of divisions amongst themselves. For example, even the U.K, now because of multicultarism has it’s divisions. These problems can be sorted out.

    Vishesh, I think it is more because we all don’t think of Pakistan much.

    Krenim, maybe you guys shouldn’t have united us at all. :)

    Prax, about jug suraiya…agree. Rare!!

  10. R.S permalink
    February 25, 2008 9:03 pm

    “It is here that we need to learn from the European Union.”

    The difference between Europe and South Asia is that Europe is not dominated by one single country. Here, most of India’s (the biggest country by far) neighbors dislike us and treat us with suspicion (rightly or wrongly). We hardly do anything to allay their fears.

    The only solution to Kashmir is to convert the LOC into an International Border. Any other solution will not be acceptable to either side. Independent Kashmir is not a realistic possibility.

  11. February 25, 2008 10:15 pm

    Shekar kapoor wrote something on this on his blog and I agree wholeheartedly with him: In the end those borders are just stupid stripes on a paper map…

  12. February 25, 2008 11:59 pm

    In the end those borders are just stupid stripes on a paper map

    At one level, that is true – that borders are man-made and do change with time – if that’s what he meant by “stupid stripes on a paper map.” But we do have to live with that reality and work within that framework for now (or work to change that framework). The trend seems to be that smaller regions and countries do want more autonomy and independence (Kosovo being the latest example) and I do not see a trend where countries are coming together to form a single country.

  13. February 26, 2008 12:07 am

    Nita, I really admire your blog. Have come across it a few times thru Google Search. The presentation and content is stunning! Please do visit mine.

  14. February 26, 2008 1:29 am

    :-) lol nita
    ive left a relevant comment on the docs blog

  15. February 26, 2008 1:33 am

    noble as ur ideas are
    purnima go to mexico w/o ur passport / green card and try and reenter … or ditto with indo pak border
    this is the real world

    ps dont mind me / get offended

    rs do u really think that will solve the problem ?
    why did mush choose kargil instead of the valley
    map the water trail – pak wants the source of the waters
    that feed rivers this is a strategic game

  16. February 26, 2008 3:28 am

    //ps dont mind me / get offended//

    @prax – oh darling, now why do you want me to get offended? you’re entitled to your opinion you silly.

    I’m not disagreeing with you but I feel you took my statement a tad bit too literally

    Also I don’t see where my ideas were noble. I was referring too a post by shekar:
    http://www.shekharkapur.com/blog/archives/2005/10/hey_shekhar_its.htm

    abstractly speaking this and fellow earthlings bashing over a stripe still seem stupid to me. you catch my drift – i wasn’t talking about a borderdispute between governments but between citizens, between humans.

  17. lallopallo permalink
    February 26, 2008 7:55 am

    I have met many Pakistanis after coming to North America. Barring very few, most of them are very comfortable with the fact that we Indians are doing much better than them both economically and politically. Infact, they hope that their leaders and people in power learn some lessons from India.
    I have encountered anything but hatred from them..couple of my close friends are Pakistanis. Ironically, they are sometimes more helpful than any other people.
    We watch Indo-pak cricket matches together and pull each other’s leg when our teams win or lose-but in a friendly way devoid of any communal nastiness..
    Incidentally, my expereinces are not unique..Most of my Indian friends/colleagues share the same view regarding Pakistani people here.
    It’s only those people -who havent known much outside their little worlds – who sometimes become fanatics after playing under the hands of politicians and agenda focussed powerful people.

  18. February 26, 2008 8:38 am

    R.S. When Suraiya and others were referring to the EU, they were comparing to India, with each state in India akin to a country. Different languages and cultures. What is admirable that despite the vast differences in India (like in the EU) India has remained as one country. Something greatly admirable that it did not break up.

    Harsh, will surely visit your blog. :)

    Thanks for that perspective Lallopallo! Yes, it is those who live in Pakistan who tend to dislike India. Outside India Indians and Pakistanis have a lot in common and can be friends. When I was in Tanzania, in my group of friends (we were about a dozen or so), 4 were Pakistanis. As a child in Nigeria my best friend in school was a Pakistani. But neither of the cases did I even think of the nationality. We tend to look similar, eat similar food and therefore there is a certain commonality, more so that we have with westerners.

    Purnima, when I first read your comment I wasn’t sure what it meant, and was puzzeling over it…but I get it now! Your statement is not to be taken literally.

    Prax
    , I think Purnima answered your concerns and btw, what I said on doc’s blog was a joke :) but both prerna and you took it seriously!

    Amit,
    after reading shekhar’s blogpost you will get the gist of purnima’s comment. I think you will be able to identify with shekhar’s kapoor emotional post.

  19. Guqin permalink
    February 26, 2008 9:49 am

    In the US I see many Indian-Pakistani restaurants. People are already united outside the political zone. Same with people from mainland and Taiwan. My landlady is from Taiwan. The bond is natural, the political divide is artificial. The interesting thing is that the further one goes, the stronger the bond is felt. The divide exists the strongest at home. An irony.

    I tend to think the modern notion of nation is very troubled and troubling for it is built on political ground (as contrary to cultural or even spiritual grounds) , therefore it is inheritantly artificial, and hence can not last long because it can not live long. India, like China is like the cultural sun, the stretch of the nation is only about how far the sun rays can reach, but that is due to the weather which is much just politics. In this sence, the nation is only a trivial existence as long as the sun is still there.

    By the way, I can’t help but to point out this modern notion of nation is largely a western invention as well, which is directly, though not comprehansively, a consequence of Roman history. The parts of the collapsed Rome evolved into this type of nation and which has been imposed in almost the whole world. In my view, India and China’s response (in long term, of course) to this phenonmenon will decide the future of the world.

  20. February 26, 2008 10:29 am

    Gugin, what I would be interested to know is if you feel a similar fondness for the Japanese. :)

  21. krenim permalink
    February 26, 2008 10:42 am

    [By the way, I can’t help but to point out this modern notion of nation is largely a western invention as well,]

    Not true I believe the first nation states in the recognizable modern form were Achameid Persia,Mauryan India and China in that order the west at this time was pretty much confined to city states of greece.

  22. Guqin permalink
    February 26, 2008 1:03 pm

    Nita,

    Modern Japan became prosperous by being a part of western civilization. It isn’t an original culture in its traditional days or in its modern days. Without Japan the cultural map of the world stays the same. Which isn’t the case of India.

    Since you particularly mentioned Japan, I assume that you were refering to Japan-China relation in WW2. Japan became a vihecle of Nazism volunteerily (the only Asian country doing so). Isn’t this one more reason to question Japan’s nature? If your referal to Japan was a cultural one, then even native African cultures could be more meaningful to the world than Japan if respected (for example, African arts are strikingly original). If you were refering to Japan’s influence (assuming good) in the west, still, those Japanese elements are mostly either Chinese or Indian (Buddhism) in origins.

    Krenim,

    I am only not so sure about Persia, the others you have mentioned were civilizations, their existences in form of state were by-products of their civilizations while the modern form of state is its own purpose. Even with Persia, Zoroastra could be considered as Persia’s prophet.

  23. Guqin permalink
    February 26, 2008 1:23 pm

    Nita,

    (At the end of my first comment) “India and China’s response to this phenonmenon will decide the future of the world”, I meant the cultural future of the world, not the political future of the world.

  24. krenim permalink
    February 26, 2008 2:09 pm

    Modern Japan became prosperous by being a part of western civilization. It isn’t an original culture in its traditional days or in its modern days. Without Japan the cultural map of the world stays the same. Which isn’t the case of India.

    cultures are the byproducts of economics of their times,a culture isn’t a museum article that never changes it constantly evolves and industrialization has a massive impact in whichever society it occurs.Therefore industrialization will inevitably lead to some westernization not because of cultural colonialism but because of similar solutions arising in different societies to similar problems.

  25. February 26, 2008 2:09 pm

    Gugin, the reason I mentioned Japan is because I know about the enmity between China and Japan. The reason I asked you the question was because I was curious to know whether Japanese and Chinese interact with each other differently when they are outside their own countries. Whether there is any fellow feeling, between migrants of Japanese origin and those of Chinese origin in western countries, like there is between Indians and Pakistanis who live outside.
    one of my older cousin’s daughter in law is half chinese and half japanese. they all live in canada.

  26. Guqin permalink
    February 26, 2008 3:09 pm

    Nita,

    US born Chinese and Japanese (that is, English speaking) are more classified as “Asian Americans”, they are hardly aware of Asian history at all (they may disagree).

    Regarding first generation immigrants , there is hardly any interaction to my observation at least due to language barrier and perhaps economic status. But among immigrants my age or foreign students, we communicate in clumsy English and history of WW2 is hardly a common awareness among us.

  27. February 26, 2008 5:20 pm

    ur such a serious person , so it does become difficult to differenciate between ur joke and ur comment :-)
    purnima –
    ok then shekar kapoors views are noble and egalitarian – but while he gets visas in a giffy , do u know how much the british, german or us visa consulate torture good humble people before giving them a visa ? my reply was based on those facts.

    Thats why I use smilies Prax, and I have used one there too! – Nita.

  28. February 26, 2008 8:53 pm

    @prax – ever heard of tunnelvision? I might sound like a totall auntie but do read his words again, his post wasn’t about the visa problem.

    Also, I don’t think it’s that nice to say that he gets his visa in a giffy, you know his visahistory? Who says he doesn’t have or have had problems with that? It’s a bit of a biased assumption you just made.

    I live in Holland currently and to answer you Yes, prax, I do know that it can be quite a hassle to obtain a visa. It’s difficult not only for the ‘good and humble’ but for the crooks and crooked as well.

  29. Guqin permalink
    February 27, 2008 10:57 am

    Quote:
    “cultures are the byproducts of economics of their times,a culture isn’t a museum article that never changes it constantly evolves and industrialization has a massive impact in whichever society it occurs.Therefore industrialization will inevitably lead to some westernization not because of cultural colonialism but because of similar solutions arising in different societies to similar problems.”

    A civilization thinks economy is a byproduct of culture. A modern state thinks culture is a byproduct of economy. Here we see the difference.

    In fact, to my observation (upon reading language related topics in this blog), India’s language issue looks like a consequence to that Inida’s languages are the products of India the civilization, but today’s India is India the modern state (as a result of the British rule). One can intreprate the language issue as a result of the disharmony between the civilizational India and the state India. China had a somewhat simliar issue when Qin kingdom unified the rest in 221 BC, the result was a powerful, extensive country (hence more a state), the cost was massive cultural losses. As an example, Qin script became the national script, the rest mostly lost.

  30. February 27, 2008 11:40 am

    Nita, I thought Shekhar Kapur’s piece was too sentimental for my taste. He is talking about the 2005 earthquake in POKashmir. AFAIK, India did send in aid for the victims, and any rivalry was put aside for the time being. I think that people from all over the world do come together in times of a tragedy (earthquakes, tsunami etc.) and offer help with open hearts. So, I’m not quite sure what SK is talking about.
    http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/12quake5.htm

  31. March 2, 2008 2:01 am

    purnima i agree with amit
    i was commenting on nitas post not shehkars -
    on tunnelvision
    quite the contrary aunty i think u have it

  32. March 2, 2008 6:21 pm

    There is one thing i fail to understand. Why is prosperity always measured in terms of the money a nation makes? What is the point of making a lot of money and spending the same on drinking, smoking, fashion and all the other convinient outlets available as a consequence of prosperity and label the whole thing as signs of developed nation? Its much better to be a conservative nation like pak instead of making a lot of money and spending it in the most irresponsible manner

    destination infinity

  33. May 23, 2008 8:44 pm

    guys i have started a citizen journalism site called Taza Kino.
    out of Pakistan. - http://tazakino.com check it out

  34. Vikram permalink
    July 2, 2008 3:08 am

    Are “cultures are the byproducts of economics of their times” or “economy is a byproduct of culture” , wow, that actually is a pretty interesting question, especially in the light of the many developing countries in the world adopting neo-liberal economic policies. These usually end up, bringing with them the prevalent cultural norms and practices of the more developed regions. So, you have situations in many countries, where a traditional dress is worn or even traditional food had only on ‘special’ occassions.

    But, at the same time the political and societal freedoms that these policies also tend to bring in (atleast for a section of the society) assist the local cultures by increasing their commercial viability and providing new avenues for cultural progress. I think Indian cinema (for those that are familiar with it) provides a pretty good example of this. We have gone from Hum Aapke Hain Koun to Dhoom, but we have also gone from Krantiveer to Aamir. The results of better techniques and production can be seen in both kinds of movies.

  35. Maryam permalink
    January 24, 2009 1:37 am

    hey Indians!
    What I don’t seem to comprehend is,Why are you guys so quick to blame Pakistan for whatever goes wrong in your country.Surely you are experiencing Terrorism within India since decades,With more that 50 Indian groups listed as terrorists within United Nations.
    In India there have been horrific massacres of muslims,sikhs,christians,even low caste dalits or shudras.

    We have seen in our media those raw shocking vidoes of hindu extremists killing muslims,burning down their homes,gujrat riots and ofcourse gross human rights violation by Indian army in Kashmir.

    You are the last people on earth to blame Pakistan for Mumbai attacks,for which Pakistan is not guilty.we got our hands full with domestic terror.

    Your view is not surprising. I have read this view on many Pakistani blogs. That Pakistan cannot be guilty because India has domestic problems. That Pakistan cannot be guilty because India had the communal riots. As for 50 terror groups in India, thats something new that we Indians are hearing! Kindly provide an authentic link before making that statement. Thanks for giving your view and do read this Wiki article. – Nita.

  36. Lafanga permalink
    May 26, 2009 10:17 pm

    If a country’s media reflects what the people in general think then I see Indians having the most negative opinion about Pakistan. With NDTV/Star news etc beemed across the border, I have not yet seen any favourable opinion about Pakistan… in fact it is downright nasty. Even Bollywood has been churning out anti-Pakistan movies in droves. Trust me, an average Pakistani does not wake up wanting to blow up few Indians or being jealous of India. People in general don’t much care outside of their immediate well being unless it directly affects them in any way. If you want to know why Pakistanis in general have unfavourable opinion about India then just view your media for a week NDTV/Star news etc for sometime wall-to-wall anti-Pakistan reporting, watch a next anti-Pakistan movie or just listen to your politicians. Right or wrong, an average Pakistani thinks that India has never accepted the Partition and will do Pakistan great harm on the first opportunity she gets. This notion is deep rooted in Pakistanis specially in the backdrop of Indian media’s historical reporting about Pakistan… which has never been favourable.

    I am not talking about your media coverage post Mumbai… this goes back a lot further.

    Lafanga, by saying that ” Right or wrong, an average Pakistani thinks that India has never accepted the Partition and will do Pakistan great harm on the first opportunity she gets. This notion is deep rooted in Pakistanis” you have endorsed my point of view. I too think that this is what the average Pakistani thinks, not by reading your media but by reading Pakistani blogs. Thanks for confirming it. – Nita

    • Lafanga permalink
      May 27, 2009 5:03 pm

      I may have endorsed your viewpoint but have you ever thought why this anomaly exists where an average Pakistani treats the visiting Indian cricket team like celebs and majority of visiting Indian cricket fans had nothing but praise about their short experience in Pakistan, visiting Sikhs on their annual pilgrimage to Pakistan have always praised the hospitality they recieve, Bollywood is popular among certain communities in Pakistan… I say certain because average Pakistani family structure is still very conservative and one cannot watch an average new Bollywood movie in a family gathering… there is just too much nudity, even the state controlled PTV mostly reports about situation in Kashmir when it comes to India, private TV channelss like Geo and ARY almost gave wall-to-wall positive coverage of recent Indian elections yet an average Pakistani still holds unfavourable opinion about India as a country. Why is it like that? Answer may lie when you look at other side of the picture. Contrast the above with the treatment Pak cricket team has recieved in India on few occasions (dug up pitches plus fans throwing bottles at players etc), Pak journalists and actors roughed up by an angry mob, I have already mentioned about Indian media which plays the most important part not only about misinforming Indians about Pakistan but also alienating Pakistanis as well and with the exception of few Indian blogs like yourselves who atleast look at the situation in a balanced way… most Indian blogs are downright vicious towards Pakistan.

      An average Pakistani has no ill feeling towards an average Indian and it may be true vice versa but the Indian media coupled with some politicians want to create as wide a rift between India and Pakistan as possible. This may just be politics or it may be some other sinister plot to bring Pakistan to it’s knees. You be the judge of that as an Indian.

      Lafanga, thank you for taking the trouble to give the views of the average Pakistani. I don’t know how to say this gently, but if you want to look deeper into the hostility in India against Pakistan you need to see that it’s not just our govts but also terror groups which have divided the country. It’s not just the mumbai attack, but India has been suffering terror attacks for the last 20 years and many of the terror groups originate in Pakistan. There was also kargil. Sure, India has its own home grown terror too, but that is our internal problem. What I am saying is that terror groups based in Pakistan have been killing innocent citizens of India of the last many years and the mumbai attack was the just the last straw. If there are Pakistanis who believe that Pakistan has not been involved in terror in India (let us for the sake of this argument not question that people who blow up innocent people in markets and streets are terrorists, and not freedome fighters) then that is why they wonder at the hate pouring out from many blogs. It’s not the media, it’s history and the present situation as well. The media may become hysterical and it may sensationalize but the truth is that terror is the culprit. You see how quickly India and Pakistan become friends, once your present govt gets rids of the terror groups! Nita.

  37. An Indian permalink
    October 12, 2009 9:04 pm

    Written by a Pakistani journalist about India [MUST READ]
    Capital suggestion
    By Dr Farrukh Saleem
    12/9/2007

    Here’s what is happening in India :

    The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.

    In November, Bombay Stock Exchange’s benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.

    In November, comes Neeta’s birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present:

    A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani’s wife, and Mukesh is not India ‘s richest but the second richest.

    Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean ). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh’s new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there’s a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family’s guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea . On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.

    In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn’t even in the top 25 countries.

    In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi .

    Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.

    For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail… Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard’s E-speak project. Four out often Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.

    For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire) .

    The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani’s father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion). Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124).

    We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don’t?

    INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And also to mention: They think of Construction of own nation, unlike other nations who are just concerned with destruction of others…

    • I.K.M.K.L permalink
      May 26, 2010 1:29 am

      YOU ARE SAYING WE ARE ALL SAME THAT’S VERY ACCURATE….. BUT ONE THING YOU FORGOT THAT PAKISTAN NEEDS ONLY 240MILLION DOLLARS TO EXPLORE 700TRILLION DOLLAR OF MINERALS RESOURCES IN BALUCHISTAN ALONE NOT TO MENTION PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN FILLING UP SWISS ACCOUNTS WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOT ANNUALLY BUT MONTHLY…… AND IF WE SPEND 240 MILLION DOLLARS IN REWARD WE GET AS MUCH MONEY AS INDIAN EARNS IN NEXT 100 YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SO DON’T SHOWOFF , WE WERE IN SAME COUNTRY 63 YEARS AGO AND THE BOUNDARIES DON’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE

      • vasudev permalink
        November 4, 2010 12:15 pm

        liked your last line that boundaries don’t make any difference. as regards spending the 240 million dollars wish you do it and exploit the trillions. some day you might even want indian engineers to help you as the manpower requirement for such a large project is likely to be huge. if you employ indians alongside pakistanis then that becomes step one to unite the divided house.

    • vasudev permalink
      November 4, 2010 12:12 pm

      good stats even thou the author seemed to be fida on the ambanis who are the world’s worst crooks.

  38. Piddu permalink
    December 18, 2009 6:31 pm

    Original Article:

    Drawing lessons from India?

    THIS is apropos of a channel show. The guests figure out eminently in showbiz and political fields. The issue under fire was prominent discrepancies between Indian and Pakistani cultures. I was startled at the manner the guests tried to glorify Indian norms in an attempt to depreciate Pakistani mindset and culture.

    The trivial issues hinted at to strike a comparison between the two societies were illiteracy, traffic congestion and national pride.

    As regards literacy, India is mired in similar if not greater crisis in this area of development as we are. The. latest population census (1991) showed the literacy rate of India to be about 52 per cent. The literacy statistics of Pakistan stood at 49.9 per cent.

    The guests might have been swept off their feet by a recent claim made by the Indian government showing its literacy rate to be at 62.2 per cent. It seems to be a very impressive development indeed but this surge has been decried by eminent Indian statisticians and demographers as unrealistic and inflated.

    Eminent statistician and educationist Soma Wadhwa, in her article, ‘When numbers lie’, reveals that a report published by Unicef in 1991 relating to literacy in India goes as far as declaring India to be the most illiterate country of the world . She also questions the validity of the census on various counts. First , the survey, according to her, was not tailored to assess literacy rate in its truest shape as the figures were culled from data collected on “non-directory trading establishment and own trading enterprise in the 53rd round of National Sample Survey.

    Second, she expresses her malcontent at the strategy adopted by the surveyors to measure literacy. In a very casual manner, sample representatives are just asked if they are literate or not and the replies whether true or false are included in the big list without ascertaining the validity of the claims by conducting even the simplest tests. Moreover, the increasing numbers of dropouts or reversion to illiteracy cases are never considered.

    The scene is not very rosy on this side of the picture as well and we need to put in a tremendous amount of effort and resources to match our pace with the developed world but please have a heart. If we have to follow someone’s example at all, let it be worth it.

    About our traffic congestion or poor road sense of our driving lot, it is in no way grosser an issue than is confronted by Indians every day. Traffic jams or blockades are a familiar phenomenon, corruption in traffic police is rife there as well, accidents occur at a greater pace and the resultant casualties are in sizable numbers.

    The third issue under fire was national pride. I wonder how could a person bent on belittling his norms and culture in an attempt to exalt another nation talk so confidently of national pride? Here I might sound bigoted to some but in my view India is the breeding ground of western culture and civilisation in South Asia.

    The western inclination is evident in their educational trends, attires, attitudes and the much-coveted Indian media. The Bollywood movies are relentlessly trying to forge a strong bondage with the West by trumpeting affairs and inter-marriages between westerners and Indian girls.

    Most of Bollywood movies are shot either in America or in European states. The Indian territory is considered too shoddy to be considered worth hosting prestigious national events like filmfare awards. So where really is the national pride?

    Our country if not better is not worse than India by any means. If at all we have to quote and follow examples, then why not to follow upright and self-reliant nations like China, Malaysia or Iran?

    We also need to shake off this sense of inferiority and self-pity and restore pride in ourselves, our capacities and our standing as a nation.

    WAJIHA SHAHID
    Quetta Cantt

    URL: http://www.dawn.com/2008/02/11/letted.htm

  39. April 22, 2010 8:07 am

    Indian and UNICEF officials concur that Indians are much worse off than Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in basic nutrition and sanitation.

    India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement in the area despite big money being spent on it, says Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed.

    India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.Lizette Burgers, chief water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, Monday said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia.

    While a mere 14 percent of people in rural areas of the country – that account for 65 percent of its 1.1 billion population – had access to toilets in 1990, the number had gone up to 28 percent in 2006. In comparison, 33 percent rural Pakistanis had access to toilets in 1990 and it went up to an impressive 58 percent in 2006.

    Similarly in Bangladesh, 36 percent of rural people have access to proper sanitation. The corresponding figures for Afghanistan and Sri Lanka were 30 percent and 86 percent respectively.

    “This is a huge problem. India has made some progress but there is a lot to be desired. The speed in which we are (India) increasing the toilet usage will not help much,” Burgers told IANS, a day before an international sanitation campaign in Delhi.

  40. October 28, 2010 5:48 pm

    Kashmir problem should be solved by the govertment and they sould take an iniciative action and indian and pakistani’s are brothers and they should have unity…
    if they both will join and don’t fight then broscative they can appsolitly conqueor this whole world and america and japan e.t.c are nothing ……….
    it would be every one wish that they can live with each other and govertment should do this,,,,,,,,
    this is the request of all pakistani’s and hindu’s to live toghether forver …………..
    this is request of billions peoples…..
    pakistan and india friendship,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    zindabad
    sheeraz ali gajani

  41. muniro ali permalink
    March 30, 2011 1:26 am

    yeah! well i just want to know how paskistan views indias government but apparently this isnt helping me!!!! ugh, im just going to look else where!:P

  42. Lucy permalink
    March 30, 2011 1:38 am

    You guys argue over things that really are not the point! I mean come on!

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