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Blaming India for eating too much

May 16, 2008
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Fruit sellerI thought the controversial issue of Bush and Rice “accusing” India and China of pushing up world food prices (because now we can afford to buy good food!!) would have blown over by now…but to my surprise, the International Herald Tribune wrote about it yesterday:

…a growing number of politicians, economists and academics (in the west) believe that “instead of blaming India and other developing nations for the rise in food prices, Americans should rethink their energy policy and go on a diet.

Then there was a TOI report today which said that the Indian arm of the PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) has “jumped headlong” into the controversy by writing a letter this week to the US President George Bush “urging him to become a vegetarian and asking other compassionate Americans to follow his example.”

How it all started
It was the United Nations which started it all by saying that the growing demand for bio-fuels, needs of rising populations and the growing middle class in India and China were pushing up food prices. America’s Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice latched on to this and said that “improvement in the diets of people in India and China” was a factor in the current global supply shortage…and well, Bush parroted it…even though India is an exporter of food, not importer.

This seemed to be the trigger that Indian politicians needed. All of India’s political parties including the ruling Congress, BJP and the Left lashed out at the US President for his statements. And as for the Opposition parties, they used Bush’s statement to bash the Congress in the election year…

While the Left parties blamed the “neoliberal economic policies imposed on India by the Bush administration”, the BJP used the US President’s statement to attack the Congress-led coalition at the Centre over its “failure” to control inflation.

Then the media got on the bandwagon
All this news was already creating headlines and the Times actually published details about how much more American eat per capita as compared to the Indians…basically five times more grains. It was also revealed that the US per capita grain consumption increased from 946 kg in 2003 to 1046 kg last year whereas India’s per capita consumption remained static in this same period.

There was also criticism in the Indian media about the amount of meat eaten by Americans…they eat the highest amount of meat per capita per year in the world… per capita consumption of Beef + Chicken + Pork for Americans is 117.7 kgs while it is barely 3.6 for Indians. And in America there is consumption of other meats like Turkey as well.

Reading all this was enough to make most Indians quite indignant. Soon there were bloggers protesting against Bush’s insensitivity. It was only after all the brouhaha was over that one felt that perhaps the issue had been blown out of proportion, particularly as Bush half apologized, saying that he had meant well…that if there was “greater economic prosperity around the world, whether it’s in India or China or elsewhere…that is good for the international system.”

Has the controversy embarrassed America?
That should have been the end of the matter but the controversy seems to have embarrassed America…IHT, a reputed American publication has been highly critical of Bush’s statements. They wrote about how much America eats…about how an American consumes 3,770 calories per capita a day, the highest amount in the world, while an average Indian consumes 2,440 calories. IHT also mentioned that America is the largest per capita consumer in the world of beef which happens to be the “most energy-intensive common food source.” And where oil consumption is concerned, the United States and Canada top the world in consumption per person. The article quoted Pradeep Mehta from CUTS (Center for International Trade, Economics and Environment):

If Americans were to slim down to even the middle-class weight in India many hungry people in sub-Saharan Africa would find food on their plates…the money Americans spend on liposuction to get rid of their excess fat could be funneled to famine victims instead…

The IHT added:

Developing nations like China and India have long been blamed for everything from the rising cost of commodities to global warming, because they are consuming more goods and fuels than ever before. But Indians from the prime minister’s office on down never fail to point out that per capita, India uses far fewer commodities and pollutes far less than the West, and particularly the United States.

Well, I wonder if Bush is listening or whether he cares.

(Photo is taken by me on the streets of Mumbai and copyrighted)

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  1. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 8:54 am

    Nita,

    I wonder where IHT got that figure of the “average” Indian consuming 2,440 calories. That would be more like the amount for better-off Indians.

    Anyway, on the lighter side, the Dubya-Condy act reminded me of a common grouse (especially of the traditionally non-vegetarian people) in Maharashtra years ago, that the prices of meat had started going up ever since the Brahmins started eating it🙂

  2. May 16, 2008 9:19 am

    Vivek, I too did a double take on the figures but even the WHO has those figures. I do doubt their authenticity and I am sure the poor and starving people of India have not been represented! Good you brought this up in the comments.
    And when it comes to the Brahmins of the world, they are the ones who have been eating from the start!🙂

  3. May 16, 2008 9:34 am

    should on really consider Bush seriously?..its like one of our politician making comments about on screen ads of potato chips

  4. May 16, 2008 10:10 am

    Bush is dumb…………. he has the habit of saying wrong thing at wrong time……..
    But the fact remains that world is moving towards a global food crises………..instead of playing blame game, Leaders should try to come up with a solution to this dangerous problem ……..

  5. May 16, 2008 10:13 am

    businessweek.com/technology/content/may2008

    this is what is need to tackle the problem

  6. May 16, 2008 10:37 am

    The purchasing power of Indians are going up. Rising real estate costs, number of four wheelers on the roads, high density of mobile phone users, increasing number of shopping malls and restaurants, rise in the consumption of alcohol are some them. When the purchasing power increases, demand for goods increases. Prices go up. But the poor becomes poorer.

  7. May 16, 2008 10:57 am

    hmm…i find this funny…each country in the world has its own habits..i think what all the governments around the world should look at is…trying to come up with a solution where there is no corruption at least in the distribution of food…..and might be we need of think of some other alternative so that BPL countries can get food…

  8. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 10:59 am

    Nita:

    Here’s an article with somewhat dated statistics, but its virtue is that it presents a long-term trend:

    downtoearth.org.in/cover

    Here is a more up-to-date and comprehensive (but less detailed in terms of calorie-intake figures) picture:

    thehindu.com/2006/09/01/stories

    The report of the 62nd round of the National Sample Survey [published Jan 2008] does not give calorie intake figures, but does give detailed data on monthly per capita expenditure (MPCE) for a wide range of food as well as non-food items for different segments of the population.

    Thanks for these excellent links! – Nita.

  9. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 11:01 am

    postscript: I don’t know how that emoticon got there. I had input 2008.

    I think this had happened to you once before. Well, the number “8” followed by a bracket results in that emoticon. However if you use another type of bracket ( “]” instead of “)” ) then the emoticon doesn’t appear. – Nita

  10. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 11:18 am

    Nita:

    Thanks for that bit of education🙂 .

    I notice that the two URLs I provided in my previous comment appear much shortened (and more generic) here. I have checked that they do connect to the right page. Is this an automatic feature in WP or did you do it? And in either case, would it still work if the URLs were copy-pasted in the address bar rather than directly clicked from here?

    Vivek, no, it is not automatic, it needs to be done manually. I do it for either of these 2 reasons:

    1) either the link is very long and spoils the look of the page
    2) if you do it this way a code which says “nofollow” appears in the link, which means that when google crawls my page and comments it gets the message that the crawler should not take that into account and leave my site! I found out about this only recently 😦 but as soon as I did I started to correct all the links in the comments on my site. As soon as I did this, in a matter of weeks my page rank jumped from 5 to 6! I don’t know if this is a coincidence but I do know that any link is considered a leak in the site. I do not compromise on links in my main post however as for me the main thing is to try and authenticate what I say. Its very difficult to get page rank 6 by the way and this has been my goal for the past several months!
    3) no, you cannot copy paste the shortened link. However if you right click on you mouse and select the ‘copy link location’ and then copy paste (mozilla firefox) it works, and in Internet Explorer you need to say “copy shortcut’ and then copy paste into browser address window.
    4) It is also possible not to shorten the link and also use the “nofollow” option but the shortening of the link gives a neat look. – Nita.

  11. May 16, 2008 11:24 am

    Nita,
    At first I read the title as “Isn’t India eating too much?” and I was honestly shocked. How can you write this etc etc flooded in my mind. After coming back from coffee, I got it right and now I say thank you for this post.🙂

    You always write on many different topics, and I find difficult to think of a reply or comment sometimes. Is it normal or I have lost something inside my head?😀 Just asking😛

  12. vivek mittal permalink
    May 16, 2008 1:46 pm

    Mr Bush is never known for his knowledge about economics…….it is very unwise/irresponsible on his part to give such statements..which is far from reality and is silly

  13. May 16, 2008 3:11 pm

    Ah!!! The disadvantages of being the President(and that too a dumb one) of a Democracy.😆 I think by now, Bush is quite used to being torn to shreads by the media. He must be entering the world records soon for being the most hated President in the Milky way.🙂

  14. May 16, 2008 3:13 pm

    wow!
    thanks for featuring my post
    more than protesting i was pointing of the presidents ignorance

  15. May 16, 2008 4:21 pm

    Nita and Vivek,

    I don’t know what a page rank is or how links cause leaks in a post, but I think this may be a solution to shorten extremely long links and give a good appearance. The link redirects from an external site. Please check out the following link🙂

    http://tinyurl.com/

    Raj, I used to use this before I knew the nofollow option. the nofollow option is the best as it protects your site. Page rank by the way is extremely important and your google results depend on page rank. And in any case in the post itself you don’t need it as you can link one word very easily. And the tinyurl is a painstaking thing, you need to go the site, and do it and takes far more time than simply typing in a code or as in the case of our wordpress comment boxes (in edit mode), all you need to is copy the url and press ‘LINK’ and then save. Then you come back and delete as many words after nofollow and before the end of the code.- Nita.

  16. May 16, 2008 4:24 pm

    Rambler, unfortunately as he is the president of the US, one is forced to take heed of what he says.

    Sachin, I agree they should come up with solutions…and actually implement them! Thanks for the link.

    Old Sailor, the disparity is very much part and parcel of our society. with the increased fruit and veg prices, the poor aren’t getting any.

    Vishesh, you have hit the nail on the head. In India if our food is stored safely and distributed properly, without corruption, I do not believe that people will starve. Plus, a lot of food in India goes to waste because of lack of transport and lack of refrigeration facilities. And in the rich countries, people throw food away as they buy too much!

    Vivek K, those articles which suggest that calorie intake in rural areas is declining, is worth mulling over. I think at leat partly its because a small proportion of the rural population is starving, having been unable to keep up with the growth in the economy. At the same time they continue to have large families and small lots of land on which they farm cannot sustain them.

    Suda, I think now perhaps I should have written “Isn’t India eating too much!” as that would have shocked everybody. 😛
    And as to whether you have lost something in your head because you at times don’t know what to say…haha! Now don’t be funny. If that was the case all of us would be a little like that as all of us feel that at times, why very often in fact!
    In fact I find your comments very refreshing and very genuine. Thanks for all of them!

    Vivek M, I guess Bush won’t be around for long. His successor seems to be much smarter!

    Amit, Bush would also win the prize for being the president with the maximum amount of jokes made on him!

    Prax, you are welcome.

  17. Joss permalink
    May 16, 2008 4:25 pm

    Nita,
    Thanks for writing about a subject that I am often pondering. I don’t think Bush was saying anything outrageous, in that we read statements like this every day of the week in the press (in Britain) – that the rise of the middle classes in India and China is putting pressure on the resources of the planet. These statements always bother me, so I was glad to be reminded of some facts and figures about consumption in the US. It is truly outrageous how much they eat, drink and burn over there. And only slightly less outrageous how much we get through in Europe.

    All we have to do is cut back a bit (a lot in some cases) so that the world’s resources are shared more fairly between west and east. My family no longer eats meat Monday to Friday, and in my mind the reason for doing this is so that two Indian families can now do so. How few of my compatriots think the same way is negligible. But the world is changing fast, and shrinking fast. The internet and the blogosphere brings us all closer.

  18. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 4:45 pm

    Nita,

    I have posted two of the several papers and databases that my search turned up — the ones that were the least academic. But believe you me, the proportion of the rural population that is starving is not exactly “small”.

    As to your words…

    //…the rural population is starving, having been unable to keep up with the growth in the economy. At the same time they continue to have large families and small lots of land on which they farm cannot sustain them//

    …I’d rather not get into a debate with you. We both have our firm and mutually irreconciliable positions on this.

    Vivek, you get upset so easily! I agree it not ‘small’…I wrote that in a hurry. I do agree that a lot of people are suffering…but as to the causes we disagree (and more important, the solutions) and as you said we have discussed this issue several times on this blog so lets not go into it again! we have agreed to disagree. – Nital

  19. May 16, 2008 4:52 pm

    Nita,

    Excellent post! I don’t think Mr. Bush deserves to be the mayor of a city, let alone the president of a country. But the U.S. is a democracy and people choose their own “leaders”, so I have nothing to say 😐

    Here is something that will pay the Americans back in their own currency(that is rapidly losing value)😀

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061025183256.htm

    Thanks for enlightening me about page ranks and the no follow option, Nita. I did not know that page ranks affect google searches. And you can delete my previous comment as it would affect the page rank.

    No, no need to delete it. I have already added the code to the link you wrote. As I mentioned to Vivek, there is no need to even shorten the link. Also, there is a lot of reading material on the net on page rank and the nofollow option. try these search terms in google and you will get a wealth of information. – Nita.

  20. May 16, 2008 4:55 pm

    I really dont understand what made Bush make such statements. Its quite long since he visited India. He should make a visit here and take a look at how malnutrioned people here are. According to planning commission around 28% of people living in India is below poverty line. Compared to India’s population, that’s a huge number. When such large number of people hardly get even a single meal every day, its very wrong to say that India is eating too much.

  21. May 16, 2008 6:17 pm

    how nice it will be,if we can send food to all those spamers from africa ans tell them to distribute it..

  22. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 16, 2008 7:29 pm

    Nita:

    I did not get upset. It’s just that we are, on some issues, poles apart ideologically, so there’s no point in getting into a debate on those particular issues. I always believe in the “agree to disagree” philosophy under such circumstances. It’s only if I feel someone is seeking to impose their views on me that I get defiant — or obstinate.

    Same here. I get very upset if anyone tries to force me to think their way! – Nita

  23. May 17, 2008 12:33 am

    vivek, u raised an important point and i don’t think there are any proper stats on this one or on their avg family group population. u must be having a lot more knowledge on this
    plus no babu would want to be red marked and starvation related deaths are counted as disease related just to cover up inefficiencies.
    i do think there are certain areas where hunger and malnutrition has been there since ages in certain sections of rural people and tribals like in certain places like in dry belts in orissa and ap maharashtra mp and many other places, some of which have been infested by naxalism

  24. May 17, 2008 7:31 am

    Joss, its wonderful to hear those words. I think its great what you are doing and it is sad if there are those who cannot appreciate that! I had no idea that such kind of news was frequently in the British press. Looks like people in the developed west thought that China and India would stay underdeveloped forever!

    Raj, from what I read the eastern part of American did not want Bush. Its the central parts which did…anyway its all set to change now.

    Radhesh, its just they don’t think that we are important enough.

  25. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 17, 2008 8:05 am

    Prax:

    //no babu would want to be red marked and starvation related deaths are counted as disease related just to cover up inefficiencies.//

    The tendency to cover up causes of death is not restricted to just babus, nor are the causes of deaths so covered up just starvation related. The tendency is far more common in the context of deaths due to occupation-related diseases (e.g. byssinosis, silicosis), and those guilty of the cover-ups are not babus but industries (whether private or public sector — but generally those in the private sector are the bigger culprits).

    //there are certain areas [which have known] hunger and malnutrition … since ages in certain sections of rural people and tribals … some of which have been infested by naxalism//

    Over the last 25 years I have had occasion to do fieldwork in at least four naxal “infested” areas — Naxalbari itself, Vidarbha, Telangana, and the inteface area of Orissa and Coastal Andhra. All of them had a few factors in common:

    1. Stunningly beautiful and serene landscapes.

    2. An abundance of natural resources adequate to comfortably support a non-avaricious lifestyle for the locals.

    3. An influx of outsiders with rapacious commercial interests — whether timber contractors, miners, industrialists setting up factories to exhaust local mineral resources, fertiliser corporates carrying coals to Newcastle, and their camp-followers such as moneylenders, purveyors of environment-destroying consumer products, the lower levels of a habitually stonewalling bureaucracy and law-and-order machinery, and several others — all generally exploitative, either ruthlessly or insensitively.

    In such conditions, Naxalism comes in when other, more “reasonable” mechanisms of ensuring fair-play and justice have failed. The internet has a good deal of literature on this subject emanating from both interested and disinterested sources. Please read some of it before you use terms such as “infested by Naxalism”.

    An aside, somewhat O/T, regarding “covering up”: do you realise that the Right to Information Act, being restricted to government and quasi-govenment institutions, excludes from its scope private corporate institutions that may be providing the same of similar services. For example, you can invoke RTI in respect of a government-owned pharmaceuticals factory, but not in respect of one of the iconic flag-bearers of corporate capitalism, whether indigenous or transnational, doing identical business. You can demand information under RTI from LIC or Indian Airlines, but not from one of their private sector competitors. Which means that the degree of your accountability as provider of the same kind of service or product varies according to whether you are stodgy, khaki, musty government or glamorous, high-power, arrogant private sector. If you are the latter you are above the law.

  26. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 17, 2008 9:12 am

    I was looking for a quote from Gandhi that is unfortunately not as widely known as the one about the earth having enough for everyone’s needs.

    This one seems particularly relevant to the present post. Here it is, taken from a blogger who has also done his bit to update MKG’s data:

    “God forbid that India should ever take to industrialism after the manner of the West…If an entire nation of 300 million took to similar economic exploitation, it would strip the world bare like locusts.”
    — Gandhi, 1928

    ==Notes about this quote, from some quick research by me====

    NOTE: US population in 1928 was 120 million. India, apparently, was 300 million
    (and that included present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh ~ Vivek).

    The population of the US hit 300 million in 2006.
    The current population of India is over 1 billion people.
    The current population of China is over 1.3 billion people.

    Draw your own conclusions but I’d say we’re among the locusts, we’re all swarming, and Gandhi was a visionary.

    Brian

    Starting from the quotation marks, the above (except my parenthesis) is taken from
    dfwscooterist.com/forum/viewtopic

    ~ Vivek

  27. May 17, 2008 9:16 am

    Vivek, c’mon. You’re going to deny us urban dwellers our rights to do-dads and toys (and raw materials needed for them) and our appetite for energy? Where’s your sense of fairness?😉

  28. May 17, 2008 9:26 am

    prax, if you’re interested, here’s an interesting take on the industrial process and its impact: http://www.fracturedearth.org/?p=225

    I don’t know enough about ground conditions in India, but I’d think that events like these maybe probably play some role in how and why naxals come about.

  29. May 17, 2008 11:18 am

    Nita, Gandhis quote “hate the sin love the sinner” whether its america or india obesity rise exponentially we southasians have the higher probability of getting diabetic than our obese western counterparts. So dont emotionally react to Mr.Bush’s comment we should introspect ourselves the reasons give by doctors why such alarming rate of diabetic in india was “our sedentary lifestyle,modern food habits and stress” so in this context we are changing our food habits its a fact who said is not important what said is important.

  30. May 17, 2008 11:52 am

    Vivek,

    I think I know the ground conditions that lead to naxalism-extreme poverty, exploitation and neglect. I don’t even dislike the naxals as I know that they are just standing up for the marginalised, the deprived and the oppressed when the powers-that-be had failed to listen to moderate voices that warned us of a looming catastrophe, but instead continued to proceed with flawed economic policies. What do those who are victims of filthy concepts like “free market capitalism” do when no one listens to their cries for help? They take to the gun! I mean, one would naturally take to violence if peaceful protests go unheeded. I don’t know why people do not understand this simple fact of life. If the violence has to stop, the oppression and the exploitation has to stop first! It simply cannot be the other way around! I am completely baffled why something as simple as this is not understood😕

    On the other hand I absolutely hate filthy concepts like “free market capitalism”👿 that believe in robbing the poor to pay the rich. I would not spare even a cubic millimetre of my mind for such bullshit!

    But I guess industrialisation and diversification of the economy is the only way forward for a country like ours with a huge population and limited resources. The Marxists in West Bengal have realised this. But due to the wrong way in which they proceeded with it-SEZs(Special Exploitation Zones as they have turned out to be in many cases), it has brought them into violent confrontation with the Maoists. Don’t you think it is necessary for us to find a way forward with industrialisation and diversification without letting the corporate criminals who advocate “free market capitalism” get away with whatever they do?

  31. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 17, 2008 12:11 pm

    Amit,

    As an urban dweller myself — and one living in a city desperate in a hurry to destroy everything that has been attractive about it (not counting Bengaluru and Pune — those were not destroyed by their own inhabitants) — I am keen not to deny MYSELF the rare pleasures of visiting places which are God’s Own Country without the help of copywriters🙂 .

  32. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 17, 2008 12:24 pm

    Raj:

    //…I guess industrialisation and diversification of the economy is the only way forward for a country like ours…//

    Do look at

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/nyregion/30towns.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    … and of course Fractured Earth, for which Amit has already provided a link.

    Vivek, your comment was in the spam box and just found it today. Lucky as I decided to check the spam even though I am not in town. – Nita

  33. vish permalink
    May 17, 2008 5:01 pm

    “But I guess industrialisation and diversification of the economy is the only way forward for a country like ours with a huge population and limited resources. The Marxists in West Bengal have realised this”

    They realized that and killed people to industrialize!

    Thats a good one Vish! I can’t help adding that they did that because they were Marxists and had no idea that even if one has to industrialise one has to carry the people with one, not by intimidation but by discussions and persuasion.- Nita

  34. Tushar permalink
    May 17, 2008 7:53 pm

    Hi
    Lets not worry about Mr. Bush…Americans dont worry about him anymore….why should we ??

    It seems that Indian middle class turned wealthy over a period of 1 year …look at this chart and lets ask …why should the price of rice spike in middle of 2007 ?

    http://tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/RI/M

    Btw, I have got hooked to ur blog…its great !!
    Thanks
    Tushar

  35. prax permalink
    May 19, 2008 1:40 am

    very interesting vivek

    true the private sector is shirking responsibility

    agree with u , but i think what ur talking about is the first stage when vested interests kill local voice , but later on naxalism also becomes a business that needs its survival pill
    look at ulfa it is a classic example
    and i may be wrong here

  36. May 19, 2008 4:03 am

    विवेकसाहेब खाद्पेकर,

    जंगलतोडीने निर्माण होणारा घोका आत्ताच एकदम उत्पत्र झाला आहो असे नाही. दोष देणारे बहुघा आपण ह्मा जंगलतोडीला मुळीसुद्धा जबाबदार नाही असं घरून चालतात. परंतु वास्तविक पाह्ता, आपण सर्वच कमी-आघिक प्रमानात जबाबदार असतो. किंबहुना वाढत्या लोकसंख्येमुळे हे प्रमाण वाढतेच राहणार आहे. तेन्हा जंगले तुटणार हे गृहीत घरून, सगळेच जंगल नाहीसे होऊ नये अशी आपली इच्छा असेल तर फार मोठचा प्रमाणावर झाडे लावत राहणे आणि लोकसंख्येला आळा घालण्याचे प्रयत्न युद्धपातळीवर करणे एक्ढे दोनच मार्ग आपल्यापुढे आहेत
    🙂

  37. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 19, 2008 8:46 am

    ராஜ்,

    marAThitUn lihINyAchA prayatna kelyAbaddak AbhAr. malA devanAgarI Tankalekhan yet nAhi. “iTrans” yete, paN “majA” nAhI yet. tevhAn tumachyA patrAlA thodyA veLAne ingrajitUnach uttar deIn. AtA itar kAmAt vyasta Ahe.

  38. helloworldbea permalink
    May 20, 2008 1:01 pm

    My fellow Americans eat way too much. That’s all I have to say.

  39. May 20, 2008 2:27 pm

    While the reasons behind the food crisis are not unimportant and should be debated, everyone also needs to take a long, hard look at what the consequences of it are going to be. Food shortages have the ability to devastate the economy and an entire generation of young Indians.

  40. Robyn permalink
    May 22, 2008 7:01 am

    >>Tushar – you said that Americans do not worry about Mr Bush anymore — but they do! Someone else said that Americans voted for Mr Bush, but, they did not. Voting machines can be programmed to send votes any way the owner of the machines wants. This is what happend and many other things to get Mr Bush into the White House. It ws Mr Stalin that reminded us that it is not the voters that are important but those that count the votes. I am living in this country and have spent much time in examining the available information. Many Americans feel that Mr Bush is the worst thing to happen to America as well as to many other places. Mr Bush says many witless things, including about how much people in India and China eat.
    BTW, I love Indian cuisine!

  41. May 22, 2008 11:28 am

    Recipe: Biryani

    This recipe is not for vegetarians, Moslems, or Hindus, as the meat that it is made with is pork.
    Take one overfed American fascist and roast alive over an open fire; torture is legal by the US standard, so don’t worry about the cruelty involved in the cooking. The meat will never get tender, so don’t expect that to happen. Just give the meat to the vultures and bazaar dogs, and feel free to eat all the rice that you have an appetite for.

    — Gregory Fegel

  42. Ravi permalink
    May 22, 2008 12:04 pm

    Jr.Bush just took stupidity to new heights. I thought there are americans who fail to identity their country on world map but its funny that their president itself fails to see the facts. What made bush to make such a lame statement? Americans emphasize on statistics to come to a conclusion apparently president bush failed to do the home work before makin this statement. LOL

  43. May 22, 2008 1:44 pm

    Wasn’t there an Union minister who said a couple of months back India is importing wheat because South Indians have started eating roti’s ……
    This PBA’s (President By Accident Mr.Bush’s) remarks are also in the same lines.
    All are populists when it comes to politicians, so they never bother to get down to basics …..

  44. Ravi permalink
    May 22, 2008 7:06 pm

    Ram N

    Indian ministers arent different from Jr.Bush they are also commensurably lame…lmao

  45. May 24, 2008 6:30 pm

    विवेकसाहेब / વિવેકભાઈ,

    I searched the web but I could not find a good translator software for Marathi. Which one would you recommend, विवेकसाहेब?

  46. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    May 24, 2008 10:58 pm

    Raj,

    Never looked. Not interested. ICT has a long way to go before it can come up with even half acceptable translation software. And before that can happen, we need large numbers of people in ICT who are equally sensitive to language and literature in particular, and the humanities and social sciences in general.

    Forget translation, I can’t even find a good, modern dictionary that is Marathi-Marathi, or Gujarati-Gujarati, or Hindi-Hindi (don’t be surprised: my strong feelings are not against Hindi per se but against Hindi imperialism).

  47. Emilio permalink
    October 6, 2014 8:28 pm

    There can be no dought that there is an exccessive demand in the bio food production system this is most certainly going to be the cause for a sure food supply crissis. However this demmand is no exclusively related to the ammount of foo each individual eats, rather how many individuals eat a given quantity. In a world over populated by 7000 million human consumming all that the planet has destroying and polluting all and everything and reproducing in an irresponsible manner we must expect more than just a food crissis to come. The apparent cause I would say is the collective madness our species seems to be going through, considering itself in the right to destroy the only home we have and at any price. To further this mad aptitude, we have a tendency to place upon gobernments the responsability to resolve what we ourselves should resolve from home and family enviroment. If all we can thinck about is having material posessions and multiplying, how can we take steps to resolve this horrendous situation. Ofcourse gobernments must take messures, but gobernments are there to represent the estate, and we are the estate, so we mus decide how we go about guiding gobernments to do that which as the caretakers of this once beautiful planet, should be done, but this demands reassonig and sacrifice, ¡Are we prepared to make sacrifice! or are we really mad, I wonder?
    Peace and Love to all Fellow humans and the rest of the species and companions.

  48. Emilio permalink
    October 6, 2014 8:53 pm

    A very wise and well loved person once said more or less “An eye for an eye and everyone in the world would be blind by now”. For the sake of the whole planet, Its time for all to seat down and talk seriously and with love in our hearts, truth in our tongues, and fulfilment in our promisses, . Food is as important as love and viceversa, so is truth, patience, faith, hope. Most of thie said we have to recover if we want to save this world in a “healthy” condition for our children and have t our memmory blessed, instead of been hated by them. Lets start been realistic. We all have one common goal, lets work toguether to reach it, no more an eye for an eye, lets work for one common goal, lets accept we have made mistakes, and start anew. Lets recover our planet, lets reforest, clean its waters,its rivers, its seas its atmosphere. We hae millions of unemployed people ready an waiting to start re-seeding, planting, cleaning. Lest create a new economy based on ecological work forces and machinery. Wha do you think my fellow human brothers? or are unfaithful and afraid to work for a common and healthy peaceful goal?.
    Love and Peace to all.

  49. Emilio permalink
    October 6, 2014 9:03 pm

    Its all too easy to blame others. But the sayig also mentiones that “when the river roars stones it carries in its wake”, meaning there may be a half truth or even a quarter truth in the supossed condition. We are all responsable for the state “our” planet is in., and therefore we all mut make repairs.
    Love and Peace to all

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