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India’s global competitiveness declining?

July 15, 2008

In industrial competitiveness surveys of 2007-8 India seems to be taking a beating. In an IMD survey India was ranked 29th (out of 55), a slight fall as compared to last year. The criteria here was economic performance, government efficiency, business efficiency and infrastructure and it was infrastructure where India scored very low.

In the Global Competitiveness Report released by the World Economic Forum, India fell five ranks to number 48 (out of 131). This is a survey which tracks twelve economic and business parameters

The latest report is the competitiveness scorecard released by The United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO). It evaluates competitiveness on the basis of industrial performance and development the ability to compete in a global market and the share of manufacturing in GDP amongst other things.

As expected the industrialised countries lead the pack. Here is a partial list, with the ranking in brackets:

  • Singapore (1)
  • Japan (4)
  • Sweden (6)
  • Germany (8]
  • Republic of Korea (9)
  • USA (12)
  • Hong Kong SAR (13)
  • Austria (14)
  • Slovenia (15)
  • UK (16)
  • Malaysia (18]
  • Italy (19)
  • China P R (26)
  • Thailand (27)
  • Spain (28]
  • Brazil (39)
  • India (41)
  • Pakistan (55)
  • Russia (66)
  • Bangladesh (67)
  • Sri Lanka (75)

One of the reasons why India scores badly is that manufacturing value per capita and manufacturing exports per capita are taken into account as well.

In any case, our manufacturing sector isn’t doing well, a sector which “fuels growth, productivity, employment, and strengthens agriculture and service sectors.” Projections of manufacturing growth may be bright, with an expectation that there will be a 17 percent growth (crossing the $300 billion mark by 2015), but the present scenario isn’t too good. An article in Business Week by Manjeet Kripalani has a strong pessimistic tone. He mentions these red flags:

  • 11.4% inflation
  • large government deficits
  • rising interest rates
  • Loss of foreign investment in India’s stock market
  • Falling rupee
  • Stock market down over 40 percent from the year’s highs

He doesn’t blame our government completely for the mess, but he does blame it for its gargantuan subsidies and criticizes the loan waivers in the last budget.

I will leave you with these very interesting visuals which are available at scribd.com, put up there by Shabbir Ghadiali and the link sent to me by Vishal Sharma. Please note that not all figures are the latest figures:

The first chart is a global GDP comparison. To get a larger image, click on the picture.

Next is the sector wise contribution to Indian GDP:

Here is a brief overview of India’s competitive advantage:

And lastly I leave you with a very interesting map which tells you which are the high growth cities in India.

The cities are growing at different rates and it looks like Gujarat is steaming ahead of the rest of India. So if you are looking for a job you know now which city is likely to be most welcoming!

  • Surat: GDP growth is 11.5 percent
  • Bangalore – 10.3 percent
  • Ahmedabad – 10.1 percent
  • Mumbai – 8.5 percent
  • New Delhi – 8.4 percent
  • Hyderabad – 7.8 percent
  • Pune – 7.4 percent
  • Kolkata – 6.3 percent
  • Chennai – 6.2 percent

Other information on the map is total GDP, total foreign investment and also the important sectors in each city. If you click on the map you will get a bigger picture.

Update: After Vivek Mittal’s comment I cross-checked the accuracy of the above map, and I discovered that Surat is indeed the fastest growing city in terms of GDP. You can read about it in this article which says that Surat’s GDP is growing at 11.5 percent. Ahmedabad is 10.1 percent, and these are Jan 2008 figures. The article also confirms the growth figures of some other cities. However as mentioned in the map, these are just growth figures and in actual contribution in terms of actual GDP size Mumbai is still number 1, followed by Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai.

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38 Comments leave one →
  1. vivek mittal permalink
    July 15, 2008 4:22 pm

    Nita

    the map about indian cities looks quite old as it shows Delhi’s population as 1.2 Cr, while even as per 2001 survey it was 1.4 Cr

  2. July 15, 2008 4:36 pm

    Thats true, the population of Delhi is not reflected properly. But Mumbai in 2001 census was 13m and in the map it is showing 16.4 m so I think these figures must be about 2006. Today in 2008 the population of Mumbai is said to be 18m. But yes, I agree, this map is not the latest map, but it does give some indications.
    Even Chennai’s population is not accurately reflected. It was over 7 m in 2001 but here it gives a lower figure. So, there are inaccuracies in this map. However I doubt that Gujarat was growign then at the speed it is growing now.
    Let me see if I cross check the GDP growth figures.

    Later: Vivek, I cross checked the figures and the growth figures are the latest – 2008!! I have updated by post to confirm the date. But thanks for letting me know about the inaccuracy of the population figures.

  3. vivek mittal permalink
    July 15, 2008 4:54 pm

    Nita , another good thing

    As per an international survey by International Institute for Environment and Development, a UK-based policy research non-governmental body….11 indian cities are among 100 fastest growing cities in the world..with Faridabad being No 6 in world and No 1 in India

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/11_Indian_cities_among_worlds_fastest_growing/rssarticleshow/2481744.cms

    That must be true Vivek. But I think they have taken only cities with some minimum GDP in this list. Total GDP figures count too. But yes are right, our small cities are growing very very fast and its something to be proud of! – Nita

  4. July 15, 2008 4:54 pm

    interesting post🙂 I think we still have a long way to go…but will we be there as a country?

  5. vivek mittal permalink
    July 15, 2008 4:59 pm

    India’s ranking of 41 is very impressive…but it looked not so impressive when i saw pakistan’s ranking as 55…it was quite surprising to see Pakistan to have such a good ranking despite of the prevaling conditions there, where it looks marching towards being declared as a failed state

  6. vivek mittal permalink
    July 15, 2008 5:39 pm

    Narendra Modi has turned Gujarat into truly a vibrant state but he has an unforgivable blot on him…

    Interestingly USA again denied visa to him

  7. July 15, 2008 6:21 pm

    Excellent post Nita.

    Thanks Brian.- Nita.

  8. July 15, 2008 8:06 pm

    In my opinion there are 2 things that India needs to work on badly:

    1. Infrastructure like you said. India lacks a good infrastructure at a basic level. I am talking roads, multi lane freeways or metros in the cities and expand them to Tier 2 cities.

    2. By expanding infrastructure to Tier 2 cities, India should expand businesses to those cities too, instead of concentrating in the 4 metros and a few cities termed as silicon valleys. We should take a page from US with regards to infrastructure and tier 2 city development.

  9. lagordabella permalink
    July 15, 2008 9:10 pm

    Excellent post. However, i belive india still has a long way to go so the current rank seems fine. we are a developing nation and maybe some day we might become a superpower. But as of now we are still trying to make our presence felt. So there will be some stumbling blocs here and there. Just the way finance minister Chidambaram described in his interview with UTVi how India is on her growth path. It will take time and it will be painful. But we will get there.

  10. July 15, 2008 9:36 pm

    Vishesh, we will be there!!

    Vivek M, true, but so does every politician who has ever instigated a riot. Includes Rajiv Gandhi. And about our rank, I don’t think its good enough.

    Dinesh Babu, our infrastructure projects are taking off slowly, too slowly. However where small cities are concerned, much is happening, but again, not in a planned and organised manner.

    lagordabella, I guess for a developing nation our rank is okay as you say. And I too believe we will get there.

  11. Ravi permalink
    July 15, 2008 11:35 pm

    I wish india would develop more cities ala USA by giving special importance like it did with Hyd and B’lore airports so that people would be left with more options in chosing their dream cities. US has more than 30 big cities whereas we have only 6 major cities we should increase that number to see overall developement.

    I too think we should focus more on development of small cities as cities like Mumbai are already packed to the brim. Actually efforts have been made. Navi Mumbai was in fact a city developed to decongest Mumbai but our population just seems to be growing! But I think the small cities are developing. I would thinkt hat in another 20 years we will have at least a dozen more in that map when it comes to total GDP and development. – Nita.

  12. July 15, 2008 11:39 pm

    Nice write up never mind some of the stats

    Flexibility is essential for growth and the amazing bit is that this country has grown in spite of its politicians and bureaucracy – who are control freaks slowing down decision making. India still has a very controlled economy with controlled markets and heavy regulation , all decisions are still made in delhi and everything is micro regulated and managed thus little wonder policy change is slow and inflexible.Most officials and politicians are not accountable

    At the central level- the Indira policy is still religiously followed and increased regulation loan maafi and a misplaced subsidy regime that has meant a shockingly high inflation spike in loan defaults and psu bank npas and fiscal deficit prompting agencies to downgrade.
    Fitch Ratings lowered India’s domestic rating outlook to negative from stable on Tuesday, citing the central government’s worsening fiscal position.

    I like Modi he has proved his motto – minimum government maximum governance no wonder Gujarat has the best growth figures even though the share of Gujrat like Mumbai hardly gets anything back from the taxes it gives the nation.

    on the infrastructure front –
    things are not good too much corruption
    More amusingly corruption cases against politicians go on indefinitely and blow hot or cold depending upon alliances.
    A B Burden has valued the going rate for an MP as 25 crores . The politicians gifts are tax free and party accounts are never independently audited and are of course tax free. No wonder only aam admis face tax scrutiny!

    Prax, thanks for that incisive overview! You said it, sometimes I wonder how we are growing, with the corruption and the politicians and lack of accountability. And don’t forget, the anti-national communists! About Modi, yes he has done a lot for Gujarat and as wrote in this post, even muslims are accepting that fact. and its sad, that both Gujarat and Maharastra, although contributing so much to India’s GDP are getting so little in return. We don’t even have a metro!! – Nita.

  13. Vikram permalink
    July 16, 2008 3:25 am

    Nita, first off, there is a difference between instigating a riot and doing nothing (even encouraging and justifying) the killing of your own citizens. You are supposed to protect them, before any economic growth, infrastructure blah blah blah. The Indian state (at any level) cannot protect its citizens, either from outside threats , internal fascist elements and a few of its own corrupt and authoritarian agencies.

    The Indian ‘middle class’, it seems has caught ‘neo-liberal’ fever. Kill the farmer and take his land for ‘infrastructure’ , push the minorities into refugee camps to ensure ‘better governance’.

    Interestingly on the last post by Prax, India has actually done very well on the corruption front it seems, the Transparency rating has improved consistently from 2002 to 2007. Even the world bank governance indicators show substantial improvement, although they showed a slight decrease over last year.

    Vikram, I think you misunderstood me. I agree with you a hundred percent!! I am no fan of Modi’s. However, I think it is very important that we keep in mind that there are other politicians who are guilty too, eg. Rajiv Gandhi. It is a matter of degree, thats all. Rajiv Gandhi did justify the killing of Sikhs and he also made sure that people got away.
    However even though Modi has done the things you mention, it is also true that he has done good. One does not compensate for the other, not at all!!
    – Nita.

  14. Vivek Khadpekar permalink
    July 16, 2008 7:08 am

    Vikram,

    Kudos for your very forthright comments about the Indian State and the Indian middle class. For both, no matter what they actually call it, Fascism has become fashionable, especially when sugar coated with neo-liberalism.

    A small correction to your second para: take the farmer’s land, not for ‘infrastructure’ but for farmhouses and SEZs. In the long run, the uprooted farmers may not have bread, but they can have cakes, can’t they? Like the minorities, they too can be pushed into refugee camps. And when the camps get overcrowded, there’s always the Nazi model to emulate.

  15. July 16, 2008 11:49 am

    the Indian economy sure looks quite sour currently…i think india has lost considerable amount just during last 8-10 months..
    markets down by 40 percent is quite depressing ..
    inflation at about 11 pecent..which is set to climb ipto 17 percent (acc to some sources ) too doesn’t sound good..
    and an unstable govt
    .. where is india heading ..not in the right direction certainly

  16. July 16, 2008 12:35 pm

    Fascism has become fashionable, especially when sugar coated with neo-liberalism.

    true troubling and interesting
    what about all the actual and perceived anti majority policy the central govt and communists follow in the name of secularism? what about the vote bank politics including making Ration cards for illegal bangladeshis, courting Radical muslim partys like iuml censoring the senseless killing of Hindu fishermen community in Maraad, Kozhikode, Keral and giving ayurvedic massages to terrorists like madhni at govt costs that generates silent hatred against vocal ghetto voting by so called minority that things religion is state and vice versa?
    Yes there are secular good Muslims but their voice gets crushed under the voice of the radical bunch.

    I believe in a pressure cooker theory – if u don’t switch it off on time it will burst . it is the small decisions like allowing the illegal mosque to stay but destroying the illegal roadside temple shrine etc that make such a build up of hatred and it has to be released.
    No wonder modi gets voted in because he has changed and changed for the good and as nita said even the muslims vote for him and openly accept flaws in their own community- and whats wrong when he says growth for all? unlike the pm who promotes sachar and reservation and Muslims, have first right over the national resources

    Doesn’t the govt policy promote hatred making many secular Hindu radical or at least question policy? Remember Godhra happened only after the train burning incident and was reactionary.

    Even Madam did not make a right noises after that incident – making a very pro congress ht editor post a very poignant comment “ There is something profoundly worrying in the response of what might be called the secular establishment to the massacre in Godhra.

  17. July 16, 2008 1:53 pm

    One of the main factors behind India’s success in the IT sector is the cost arbitrage which India offers. As a nation (Polity, Society & Business) we have to make sure that it is still profitable for foreign companies to outsource work to India. Why I am concentrating on the IT sector? Because a single IT job created in India simultaneously creates 4 indirect jobs.

    As far as manufacturing goes, in spite of many deficiencies (in infrastructure, etc) India has come a long way in terms of quality and RnD. Case in point India becoming a manufacturing hub for small cars for many companies like Suzuki, Hyundai, etc. Companies like Moser Baer ( they make optical media,photovoltaics, etc) are also home grown success stories. TATA STEEL manufactures steel of highest quality at the lowest cost in the world.

    But to compete with CHINA (which has artificially pegged currency rates, cheaper electricity, few labour rights, etc) we have to concentrate on building SEZs which provide world class infrastructure and maneuverability (in terms of operations, financing of projects, etc) to the manufacturers.

    Indian has to take its GDP growth rate to a consistent level of 10% and above, if it has to cut down on its share of ‘have- nots’ in the society.

    Agriculture: Indian is one of the biggest producers of grains, fruits –vegetables & milk.
    Why not capitalize on this. We need to increase productivity and concentrate on building SAZs (Special Agricultural Zones) as proposed by M.S. Swaminathan. We can form linkage between the corporate sector & the farmers here, provided the ownership of land remains with the farmer. We need high class Cold storage, RnD, Supply chain to connect the farmer to the booming economy in India & abroad. In the process they will get a better price & farming will become a vocation of choice.

    Long road ahead but I am sure we can do it.🙂

  18. vivek mittal permalink
    July 16, 2008 2:13 pm

    I dont know why Rajiv Gandhi came into picture if we were discussing about Gujarat…It’s like if we are talking about poverty in India and somebody says xyz country is also suffering from poverty

    btw Mr Gandhi is termed as the father of the telecom revolution in India…we we no more need 2 yrs to get a landline connection, and can anytime get a mobile connection….the credit goes to him

  19. July 16, 2008 10:49 pm

    Global competitiveness depends on many complex interlinked variables

    When you study the history of industrial development post World War II you see

    – Decline of United Kingdom, immense strengthening of USA,
    – Rise of Germany and Japan, essentially driven by massive post war reconstruction and American aid,
    – Industrial development of Soviet Union (though one may debate on the competitiveness)
    – Shifting of this wave to non-Japan Asia Pacific region spearheaded by Korea and then followed by the ASEAN countries
    – The rise and rise and rise of China, followed by
    – India

    Hong Kong and Singapore were significant regional trading hubs which have discovered that services give them edge and not hardcore manufacturing.

    This shows that capital flows where returns are thought to be best. This essentially is cost arbitrage which reduces over a period of time and one has to rely on product quality, innovation and many other factors…..but cost still remains a very important factor.

    When I see the list, I do not understand how UK is at 16 or Italy is at 19 in terms of industrial competitiveness. These countries have seen consistent industrial decline over a long period. Their cost base is also horrendously high.

    Similar arguments could apply to Sweden, Japan, Germany, USA – where industry had to move out due to cost uncompetitiveness.

    India has focussed on services as an engine of growth followed by manufacturing. The spectacular growth in services sector has contributed to employment, forex inflows and very importantly significant contribution to the exchequer. Manufacturing has also grown impressively especially at the high end. To add to what Rahul has said, look at companies like Suzlon, Bharat Forge, Sun Pharma, L&T, BHEL, M&M…..the scene is not so depressing.

    Of course, the common lament is on missed opportunities and that indicates a sense of impatience. This is good as this pressure will force the pace of progress despite warring politicians and a bureaucracy still structured to serve their masters.

    I would not give much importance to such reports as they are based on flawed criterion and, I suspect, are also not entirely free of bias.

  20. Vikram permalink
    July 17, 2008 12:12 am

    Rahul, Prax and many of my other ‘middle-class’ Indian friends. What is with the ‘China syndrome’ in India today ? Just on the basis of practicality:

    1) We cant really just copy something that someone else is already doing (well) and especially on the scale on which they are doing it.
    2) We dont have cash-rich highly industrialized economies like South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore around us that are looking for places to invest their money in.
    3) Most importantly, we have social inequalities due to caste, religion which translate into inequalities in health and education that need to be addressed first.

    Why is a civilization that prides itself on its spirituality and tolerance now judging itself almost completely on income and ‘infrastructure’?

    Woh Sikander Kya Tha Jisne, Zulm se Jeeta Jahan,
    Pyaar Se Jeete Dilon Ko, Woh Jhuka De Aasman.

    (Why praise Alexander who won the world by force,
    The sky bows for the one who wins hearts with love.)

  21. July 17, 2008 12:30 am

    vivek mittal,
    as a matter of fact it wasnt Gandhi but Sam Pitroda who did all the hard work – agreed Rajiv from a pilot background had some foresight.

    Vikram what are u getting at?

  22. Vikram permalink
    July 17, 2008 5:39 am

    What I am getting at is that a lot of people ignore (or even justify ) human rights abuses in the name of development …

    One question for you Prax, why on earth would a party who has to be elected to come to power be anti-majority ? Especially in a parliamentary system where the ‘majority’ is a good 4/5 of the country ? Does it make any sense ?

    “Yes there are secular good Muslims but their voice gets crushed under the voice of the radical bunch.”

    Yes there are real Hindus but their religion is getting crushed under the voice of fascist neo-liberal pseudo-Hindus.🙂

  23. July 17, 2008 12:12 pm

    nita pls delete the last comment

    people don’t essentially vote, because the leader is a hindu! or even muslim sometimes but muslims are known to ghetto vote to keep bjp out of power…

    have u seen the stats almost 40 to 50% people dont vote – they are the rich and middle class including vacationers people who go for vacations during election time, because it is declared a holiday

    The LCD or the hutment dweller many a times votes for incentives like sarees, food or liquor or because the Politician is the boss of the slumlord who is protecting his illegal hutment and giving him a promise for free housing free electricity and water (no wonder there is so much theft of ec and water)

    Another strong pull is caste or subcaste – most people in rural areas vote for people of their caste or subcaste
    people like maya laloo mulayam have their own equasions.

    Some essentially vote for more important stuff other than religion – Policy agenda !

    // Yes there are real Hindus but their religion is getting crushed under the voice of fascist neo-liberal pseudo-Hindus. :)//
    Sorry we are a long way from there

  24. Vikram permalink
    July 18, 2008 12:39 am

    Listen Prax, you obviously did not even understand my question. I asked why the Congress and the Left would be anti-majority in a majoratarian system, it simply does not make any political sense.

    So, if a section of the rich and middle class (who btw are not reeling under inflation, not being subjected to human rights abuses, not being forcibly dispossessed etc etc) vacation come election time, what right do they have to complain about the government ? Btw, rich and middle class is not 40-50 % of India, it is more like 10-15 % (roughly correlated to the %age of population that speaks English and has a college degree).

    Thankfully, you are wrong, there are many many middle class and rich Indians who work in NGOs and other voluntary organizations to make India a better place. The RTI act is one such example, it was the result of years of campaigning and work by the MKSS the NCPRI. There are many other such organizations and campaigns.

  25. deep permalink
    July 18, 2008 11:45 am

    Well I was the one who supported the congress govt. before it came to power.People wanted a change at that time.But now i discover that congress led UPA is worse than BJP led NDA.Its better to support pro hindu party if its agenda is development than to support bunch idiots into power with no vision except passing statements like “there is no evidence of lord Ram and we are for the minority”…Congress won when the majority was against BJP because of its pseudo secular attitude.But now we again want the BJP to come to power and its happening in every state except places like bengal and kerela.

  26. deep permalink
    July 18, 2008 11:49 am

    As far as riots and other man made calamities are concerned, we Indians are rioters by race.Cannot help it.Donot expect indians in 20th century to act like they are in the era of chandra gupt maurya.Living in a country where the majority is Hindu, if someone feels they can do away by passing anti hindu statements and doing things which are against the majority..sorry to say, we are not Bunch of Lord buddhas sitting out here.

  27. July 18, 2008 4:50 pm

    i explained sufficiently – it is mainly because the majority dont ghetto vote -they vote for multiple reasons i listed above and when that happens a few thousand people or swing vote including minorities have a vital role to choose the victor !
    //Btw, rich and middle class is not 40-50 % of India, it is more like 10-15 % // –
    partially agree and that was more mumbai centric
    one more thing there are many people who dont depend on english to be rich ! but you cant deny that at least 30 to 40 % don’t vote whatever be the reason

    There are thousands of ngos in India, not all do social service, some have agendas selfish or political. Agree that Rti is very important and a few good people have and still work very hard for change but they are hardly statistacally relevent

  28. July 18, 2008 4:51 pm

    moderation ?

    Prax, if you put the // sign the chances of your comment going into moderation are high because I have put all comments with even one link into moderation and ever since then all comments with the // sign started going into moderation. I am going to keep this as I get many spam links to commerical websites. – Nita.

  29. July 18, 2008 4:57 pm

    I asked why the Congress and the Left would be anti-majority in a majoratarian system,

    that is because there are plenty of people like us that support them – i mean the educated class of hindus that can look above religion or people that cant stand the RSS and especially VHP or Sena

  30. Vikram permalink
    July 19, 2008 12:54 am

    Well, Deep and Prax, I would like to answer you more thoroughly, but I think this discussion is going off-topic. Thanks for your response and comments.

  31. July 19, 2008 1:06 am

    thanks nita ill keep that in mind

  32. July 19, 2008 1:10 am

    vivek mittal
    i think it was pramod mahajan vajpaye and bjp that got telecom properly liberalised by opening up mobile telephony breaking the telecom lobby of dot vsnl bsnl and mtnl.(though some of his associations were suspect but hey the same person just met a lot of people including the pm in delhi recently)

  33. Ravi permalink
    July 19, 2008 1:29 am

    Nita

    No matter how good Modi did to gujarat I don’t like him. He is a MURDERER. Everyone has the right to live and he took away that in his state and encouraged mass murdering of muslims. India is a shitty place cause of him due to gujarat massacre. You should have seen US news papers and TV channels how bad they wrote on India and indians. Why would we all took blame for some moron? Do we really have hindu terrorists? We were compared to muslim terrorists by US media. I don’t really care what US media thinks but it brought a change which you would never imagine. Ask any teenager in US about India and its people. They think that Indians are muslims and we are terrorists. You could go and check personally on any myspace chat room. I was wished salam alaikum by some americans after that incident. I was totally shocked to see that happen.

  34. deep permalink
    July 19, 2008 9:17 pm

    Ravi a lot of americans think we are pakis because indians and pakistanis in USA look alike.With my personal experience in Chicago airport where I was asked whether I was a paki.My simple answere was I am from a land which taught the number system to this world, I am from the land from where the language of sanskrit originated which is the mother of major european languages, I am from the land where people did’nt venture into invading other countries and try to change their religion and break their temples and I am from the land where people believe in Vasudevaay kutumbh (the whoel world is one family)..I never felt any shame in calling myself a hindu and a true follower of it.Now if you wanna debate me how many muslim got killed in gujrat, then let me tell you that the riot originated from the killing of 72 karsevaks returning from Ayodha by moslems.Gujrat is the same place where 1000s of hindus were also killed during the riots..So muslims alone were not killed there.It is also the fact that Modi is making gujrat the most prosperous state of this country with his own efforts.Thats others problem if they only want to ridicule a person based on whatever was shown by the secularist media (which most of the time is busy showing bollywood news at their channels and at times few important news).Now if you wanna say how do you know indian media is biased?I can give you even the name of the people and their background on the basis of which they influence media on their whims and fancies..So lets refrain from passing statements which are baseless and controversial.

  35. deep permalink
    July 19, 2008 9:22 pm

    by the way as far the topic here is concerned..I would like to say that major companies are not providing proper services to their clients after giving adequate english training to their employees.I know of many call centers which are making their employees sit on the computer just after a brief session on spoken english.Some americans also complain of the service provided by the indian employees.They believe indians cannot speak english in a proper way.If I am not wrong “Camel jockey” is the term referred to pakistanis and so to Indians (out of misconception)..

  36. deep permalink
    July 19, 2008 9:35 pm

    by the way someone here said that educated hindus rise above religion..please let us not rise above religion, but do things in a religious manner.All corruption you see arround is becuse of irriligion.Religion is the bridge the gap between souls.Perhaps people in India were more religious as compared to now when the Zorastrians of Iran ran away from Iran in the 9th century due to islamic persecution for being zorastrians and settle in india..and It was same group of religious people in india who welcomed the Yahudiz(jews) of Jerusalem when they were invaded by the Romans and their temples were broken.So we are the same tolerant people out here…Now its not our problem if someone enters our home and invades us and breaks our temple.

  37. rajveer permalink
    July 19, 2008 9:41 pm

    I accept deep’s claim to some extent.I have friends at Vishnu call center in calcutta who cannot even speak english, yet they have been admitted to such company.

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