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What pirates have in common with terrorists

December 4, 2008

In this post I am being quite unjust to pirates, as they seem like angels when compared to terrorists. So don’t take this post literally.

Just had a thought that pirate criminals, like terrorist criminals, usually start with petty crime and then “upgrade” themselves to piracy/terrorism, not just because there is more money in it, but also more “respectability”.

For example, the 21 year old man captured in the recent Mumbai terror attacks, a man called Ajmal Amir Kasav, had taken up as a work as a labourer which he found “degrading.” The work was not enabling him to lead a life of comfort that he desired and plus he was not respected by the society and his family, or so he thought. So he started a new “career” in armed robbery…until one day he was picked up by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. They were willing to give him free arms and ammunition and other kind of commando training, plus loads of money, plus the “respectibility” of a cause. Not only did they give him all of this, they gave him a “a sense of belonging” that he never had in his family. And more frigteningly, when he came home during a 2-month break he “finds he is suddenly being treated with respect by his family and community kin.”

Now take the pirates. Desperately poor, living in a land where there is starvation, and people “killing one another in the streets of Mogadishu, the capital, for a handful of grain,” crime is not such a big deal. There isn’t as much money in it as much there is piracy though. So to piracy the criminals turn. It doesn’t just make them rich, it gives them “respect,” as well. Movies like Pirates of the Caribbean don’t help to dispel such notions. One 21 year old lady called Ms. Fatuma told a reporter of New York times proudly. “I’m now dating a pirate.”

When a terrorist or a pirate can look his near and dear ones in the eye and say I am a terrorist or I am a pirate, then it means that more and more recruits will be found for these activities. But can you imagine anyone telling her father or mother proudly, “I am now dating a mass murderer, a killer, a kidnapper or a thief”? Or a man telling his mom, “Look ma, I am a serial killer!”

I have always detested the word militant or terrorist, because I think these people delude themselves with ridiculous labels, when they are just plain criminals. If anything I would say psychotic and crazed mass murderers. The word “pirate” too has been romanticised. In actuality a pirate is no more than an armed robber, often violent and ruthless.

Another thing in common between terrorism and piracy are the reasons why they are so difficult to stamp out. Government complicity. Whether governments are directly involved or not is not the question because if elements in the government are involved and no action is taken against them, then its equally bad.

Take piracy. That same article in the New York Times says that there are “nefarious relationships among fishing companies, private security contractors and Somali government officials.” At the same time, no Somali government official admits they are on the take from “pirate proceeds”. But it is believed that the “pirate industry” is thriving with clandestine government support.

And when it comes to the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s connection with the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence agency, everyone knows such a connection exists. While I am sure that the democratic government of Pakistan would like to see the end of Lashkar-e-Taiba, they cannot cut it out and throw it away as the ISI is part of the government too. The majority of Pakistanis maybe peaceloving people, but the government of Pakistan is surely doing them a disservice by not crushing the rogue elements in their own government.

So, we have both pirates and terrorists spawned like viruses amidst appalling poverty and political instability, but we need to know that not everyone becomes a pirate or a terrorist. Only the criminally inclined.

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  1. December 4, 2008 6:55 pm

    Got it. Now will read and comment.

    🙂 🙂 – Nita.

  2. December 4, 2008 7:30 pm

    nita,

    IMO we cannot so easily separate the government from its people – this applies also to India (and even US). The government’s failings and inadequacies are simply reflections of its people – particularly if the system has a track record of poor accountability like in Pak and India. This applies most to democracies. It also applies to even authoritarian govts like the ones they have had in Pak. The only exceptions may be the lunatic ones like in Myanmar or old Cambodia (Pol Pat).

    In the case of Pak, the govt is unwilling to move against these rogue elements maybe because they know that they enjoy support from a significant % of the populace (w.r.t their stance against traditional enemies). Moving against them while may have the support of the people in urban areas etc. – but I would think it is unpopular among a significant % of populace in the rural areas.

    As a somewhat parallel, take the saffron elements in Indian politics. There are enough people in India who despise them, but there are enough who support it – openly or covertly. End result – they are a force in mainstream Indian politics the last couple of decades. When these saffron elements commit crimes, the entire nation is responsible including its peoples.

    Arun

    Generally speaking, I do agree with this Arunk, but the danger is in determining what percentage of people are active supporters and what percentage of people are simply indifferent bystanders or sitting on the fence, and what percentage are simply illiterates who get swayed by rhetoric. Very often when there is a strong extreme minority, the majority of people are simply hesitant to come and openly oppose the extremists and yes this in some way does show hypocrisy and weakness of people, but these very same people will be happy if the extremists are wiped out. In Pakistan’s case, the LeT has been propagating the Kashmir cause and this could be one reason why people are hesitating to speak out. They are to blame in a way because even if they believe in the cause, they need to speak out against the means. They are probably afraid of doing it because they might be dubbed anti-national or whatever. – Nita.

  3. wishtobeanon permalink
    December 4, 2008 7:37 pm

    Nice one, Nita. What you say is so true – they are but criminals or mass murderers. I also thought that it was ridiculous when the media anchors(especially of some of the immature news channels) kept referring to these people as ‘terrorists’ like it’s an occupation.

    Terrorism it looks like has become a very lucrative occupation! – Nita.

  4. December 4, 2008 7:37 pm

    At last, I got the first comment Nita!🙂

    You have taken up an important issue – What drives a terrorist to become one? You have illustrated the factor of self respect (relative) and the inhibitions of even the society members and their attitude towards such things. What I completely fail to understand is that, how can a whole group of people (Like family, immediate society) support such things? If there is no support from such a society and a larger section of people, there would be no way an organization could thrive given the innumerable things they would need and innumerable people they need to know to get things done.

    Strangely I feel a connection between this and a society like ours where people feel (A lot of them – not all) that as long as people make money, its enough. They just don’t care how they make them. This is a good example of a society indirectly supporting something like corruption (If that could be one of the ways of making quick money, as long as the money is made and the people are not caught making them!).

    We, as a society, lack certain basics Nita. We don’t inculcate core values into our people – like maybe a European nation where virtues like discipline,cleanliness are completely embraced by a large section of people. What makes me even more bothered is, we don’t seem to believe in such core values.

    Destination Infinity

    DI, you have given a good example of how we tolerate known law breakers and even respect them as long as the law doesn’t catch them and as long as they are flaunting their wealth. I guess that does explain to a large extent why pirates are getting the “respect” they do. About the terrorists, I think that the “nobility” of the Kashmir cause could have blinded some people, particularly illiterate people. But I do think we do have core values, like family and loyalty for instance. But yes I agree that we need values of honesty too, we did have it at one time. My dad tells me that immediately after Independence our leaders and people had these ideals and corruption was almost unknown. People always said “look, so and so is corrupt” but today he says people point and say “look, so and so is honest.” I hope we get our core values back. – Nita.

  5. December 4, 2008 7:53 pm

    Somali pirates generally don’t kill their hostages. Only if the hostages don’t listen, they harm them.Pirates take one month to six months to negotiate ransom and till they get their ransom, remain in the ship along with the hostages. In fact special restaurants have come up in Somalia coastal villages to supply food,drinks,cigarettes to the hostages.Hostages are subjected to more of mental torture: like they are not able to communicate to their family members, don’t know how long they are going to remain as hostages, in case of falling sick no means for treatment. Also pirates don’t cause damage to the captured vessels.
    In case of terrorists it lasts for few hours or days and their only goal is to kill people instantly,cause damage to the property.

    That true Old Sailor, but as you have yourself said they do harm people if they don’t listen. They can be violent if need be. But yes, they are far milder than terrorists. The violence is there, even though as I mentioned in the first few lines, pirates are angels as compared to terrorists.🙂 – Nita.

  6. December 4, 2008 9:08 pm

    pirates are totally different from terrorists,the intention of pirates are not of killing any one but only make hostage of them for ransom,as we take the case of somali pirates therew is starvation & gov is doing nothing for people so they are doing piracy for their survival,iam not saying that this is right,but the main aim of terrorist are always of massacare&frighten the people of world with their act& show their power to world.

    true what you say. – Nita.

  7. December 4, 2008 9:52 pm

    Pirates are predators who hunt their prey for personal gain or revenge, whether it be on the high seas or on the shores !

    Terrorists on the other hand are cold blooded murderers, ruthless to the core, conditioned to kill without remorse or mercy !

    Their actions cause tremendous pain , suffering and emotional turmoil to families who bear the brunt of their actions.

    People are scarred emotionally for an entire life time due to the terrorist attacks and the aftermath they leave behind.

    They should be shown no compassion and dealt with the way they treat others.

    Punishment for both needs to be different, and yes terrorists are anti-human. – Nita.

  8. December 4, 2008 9:52 pm

    I see all of them as parasites.Who are to eat without contributing anything?And who are they to destroy private property? I will rather let a mosquito live.

    Yep, and a cockroach and rat as well! – Nita.

  9. December 4, 2008 10:09 pm

    You hike the glamour quotient of any job or activity and there you have a long queue of potential recruits wanting to try their luck.

    Give it a religious tinge and add that immortality bit and position it as a service to the Prophet. Now add the lure of lucre and you have an unbeatable combination.

    Another thing is most terrorists are very young and first timers. You can afford as there is an endless supply of cannon fodder.

    Islamic Terrorism, (maybe I am politically incorrect – damn it) so named as conscription is in the name of Islam, is based on this.

    I am sure piracy is also considered as a passport to enough food, clothes and a house to live in for the lowest rung. It may also mean status in that society and a first right of refusal when it comes to choosing a bride.

    Without debating on their intentions and end result, it is a career option in violent, deprived and hungry societies.

    true, religion gives it the glamour quotient and I guess that’s why it is easy to get recruits. But the fact is why they fall for the religion indoctrination. That is the question…as you mentioned, money helps to persuade. I wonder how many of these so-called terrorists would work for free. – Nita.

  10. Vinod permalink
    December 4, 2008 10:22 pm

    What I completely fail to understand is that, how can a whole group of people (Like family, immediate society) support such things?

    Destination Infinity, I’m glad you asked this question and I hope it isn’t just rhetorical. May I suggest a video in youtube called – “Palestine is still the issue”. It is about 1hr. It’ll give you an idea of why kids take up suicide bombing there.

    Nita, I’ve heard that the reason why the pirates are doing what they are doing is because their livelihoods are being taken away with no alternatives provided. They are characterized as “pirates” by the media, but that is to cloud the real issue. The people taken hostage by them are being treated fairly well. Labelling them as “criminals” is a little too harsh and shows an unwillingness to understand them. Same goes for labelling many people as “terrorists”. I hate those words for different reasons – they are thrown around too loosely by all and sundry as if no trace of humanity can remain in those who commit these acts. Nobody wants to ask why they do it because they are afraid that seeing the humanity in them can only make us realize our apathy, ungratefulness and our holier-than-thou attitude. Governments ofcourse use the word only to drive their political agendas which are often unresearched and motivated by power.

    Vinod, I see them as criminals I am afraid. No better than armed robbers. Because that is what pirates are doing, robbing people by intimidating them with weapons. I do not believe in “reasons” and if you have read my various posts on the issue you would know this. I do not believe in reasons for violence. All such people need to be locked up, that is my humble opinion. – Nita.

  11. Vinod permalink
    December 4, 2008 10:26 pm

    Mavin, there is one more essential and a priori ingredient needed for terrorism to take root. That is the poltical and social context should be one where there is one group of people depriving the dignity of another with impugnity and the rest of world silently watches or even supports them.

  12. December 4, 2008 11:55 pm

    @ Nita : Both of these so called terrorists and pirates are no longer under the control of nation states. This shows that the power of nation states is basically under decline and is quite likely to keep declining further. The world needs a new system of governance now that is not based on individual sovereign nation states.

    Since the advent of global communications and rapid contraction of the world, individuals have more freedom to move across borders, to talk with each other and to do many other things that were unimaginable just a few years ago. Its time we have supersized blocks and later on one single world government to deal with matters like terrorism and piracy.

    Odzer, govts. becoming weaker is not something I want to see happen. If this is indeed happening I do not see it as a positive thing. – Nita.

  13. December 5, 2008 1:49 am

    For many it’s the end not the means that matters. Why stop at stealing handfuls of grain when there’s a way to provide so much more? A lot of people can only take so much degradation before they break.

    Historically, privateers were commissioned by monarchs to raid ships from rival countries. They helped keep armadas at bay while making money for the crown and themselves. Pirates were the illegal freelancers of the time, working solely for themselves. Today, no government can admit that they’ve sanctioned piracy or terrorism. Why would they?

    A profession gone all wrong eh. Well, they were tolerated by govts. then and they are being tolerated now. – Nita.

  14. December 5, 2008 5:58 am

    Nita,
    This was a cleverly made post! While pirates have material self interest and terrorists have their own agenda-driven self interest, at the fundamental level both are usurpers of right and life. Both should be dealt with at the same level. As criminals. It was funny to read about ‘I am dating a serial killer’!

    Thanks. Glad you saw the humour in it. Almost tagged the post “humour” but I guess it can be taken either way so I let it be.🙂 – Nita.

  15. December 5, 2008 9:30 am

    I think “hardy har har!” will cease to be funny from now on! Brilliant post!

    Thanks.🙂 🙂 – Nita.

  16. December 5, 2008 10:25 am

    Nita,
    I really had never read such a post. A new spot of light on this issue. More thing that make me is “respectability” driven persons from poor are the soft targets to e lead into ill acts.
    i would still stand by old sailor saying, pirates “Are driven by poverty and objective is only for ransom, no innocent human lives. Terrorist on other hand are more inhuman and always involved in threat by killing people.”

    In either case, one major reason is poverty and next is gaining respect. In era of modernisation, goodwill comes in terms of money you spend, your bank balance decides ones social stature. And people easily fall for it.

    As long as one’s bank balance decides one social stature, these kind of “respectable” gentlemen will continue to flourish. Today the most “respectable” man in Pak is probably Dawood Ibrahim! – Nita.

  17. December 5, 2008 11:08 am

    Nita, you have highlighted how black-collar workers have more avenues and perhaps there would be some career counselling that we may see so that youth can choose between piracy, terrorism, smuggling, extortion, bootlegging etc etc. Even the D-Company, Chhota Rajan gangs would then raise the bar on admit qualifications. Would joining politics also figure in this category?

  18. December 5, 2008 11:26 am

    Nita, my earlier comment was just a sarcasm – you have rightly pointed out what emerged from Kasav’s interrogation that joining LeT is considered “respectable” out there. Speaks volumes about their aim in life.

    Gopinath, the explaination was not necessary. I saw the humour and was in fact going to add that perhaps they have aptitude tests as well! I think LeT is “respectable” because of their Kashmir objective. I have a feeling that as long as the average Pakistani wants Kashmir they will never be able to get rid of LeT – Nita.

  19. December 5, 2008 12:31 pm

    Nita

    Interesting juxtaposition.

    Just yesterday, in England, a mother was found guilty of fabricating her own daughter’s kidnap, wasting several £M of police time, presumably to make money. Crime above all requires a lethal dose of amorality, selfishness (whether it is £50K reward or 72 virgins) and a lack of the sensitivity chip. Sadly this is as much possible in the rich as it is in the poor.

    Even sensible girls can’t resist the lure of ‘bad boys’ (without qualifying ‘bad’). A very dear friend of mine, when very young, was so obsessed with Charles Sobhraj, her parents had to stop her reading newspapers (this is before TVs were in common people’s living rooms). The thrill of the inappropriate for ordinary people will mean these awful people will never want for ‘female companions’.

    Thats true Shefaly, a lack of sensitivity or callousness or cruelty is not a prerogative of the poor. If anything I think that the poor can have qualities of love and compassion in equal amounts, if not even more. I guess it is always a combination of factors which goes into the making of a criminal. And yeah this attraction of some women to the “bad” guys is something that always amazed me. Take that Monica woman, who was married to Abu Salem. I guess these women are greedy and evil, because they turn a blind eye to the bad deeds as long as they are getting enough pocket money and leading a luxurious life. – Nita.

  20. December 5, 2008 1:26 pm

    for some reason, the first thing that came to my mind was …paap say dharti phatee…adharm say aasman…blah blah blah….tridev…tridev…tridev.

    i was wondering what we need to create in order to strike a balance between good and evil …can balance be restored by creating anti-pirates and anti-terrorists??

    Set a thief to catch a thief you mean. Well, if govts. do that human rights organisations will come down heavily against them. Most good people do not want to become evil to kill evil. So don’t know what the answer is. But I do know the way the insurgency in Punjab was squashed was by these very methods. Gill did it, kidnapping terrorists’ families and holding them to ransom, exactly what the terrorists were doing to the average man to get him to work for them. – Nita.

  21. December 5, 2008 1:29 pm

    There is one basic difference between a pirate and a terrorist. A terrorist is actively supported and funded by a group or organisation having international connections. A pirate has no such luck. I can actually understand why pirates are considered respectable in a poverty stricken country. But I cannot understand why a society would actively support a terrorist unless it seems religiously accpetable.

    Thats a major difference you pointed out! But lets hope that it remains this way! And yes I am sure that “religious” compunctions do come into account when it comes to terrorists, but lets also remember that impoverished terrorists wouldn’t get the respect! – Nita.

  22. vinod permalink
    December 5, 2008 3:54 pm

    Nita, what we do with the pirates and terrorists is a question that only deals with the tip of the ice berg. Terrorism does not stop by locking up the terrorists or executing them. That only creates more. The root cause lie elsewhere and require a more humble approach.

  23. December 5, 2008 4:18 pm

    What are they fighting for? Thats the only question I have.

    I guess many of these young lads are recruited offering loads of money and they wouldn’t really care about the reason for which they are killing.

    I read in an article that many of the terrorists n 9/11 did not know that it was a suicide attack. They thought they were just gonna hijack.

  24. vinod permalink
    December 5, 2008 4:49 pm

    While I do not condone terrorists and terrorism, I try to understand where it comes from. In the same vein, while I understand the righteous anger of the affected, at a certain stage it starts to become vainglorious.

  25. December 5, 2008 5:57 pm

    Interesting comparisons!

    I’ve noticed that people who prey on other people will often prey on their friends too. “There is no honor among thieves.” How smart is it, then, to date a robber, a murderer, a pirate, or a terrorist?

  26. December 5, 2008 6:03 pm

    @ Vinod: You make a very good point about the need to fight terrorism in a more basic way than to solely rely on guns and bullets. But I think with terrorism, you also must be willing to use guns and bullets.

  27. vinod permalink
    December 5, 2008 8:11 pm

    PUBLIC ARENA ABOUT MUMBAI’S NIGHT OF TERROR – By Ghulam Muhammed
    By ghulammuhammed

    Thursday, November 27, 2008

    QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC ARENA ABOUT MUMBAI’S NIGHT OF TERROR

    1. With death threats against him already on record, why ATS Chief Hemant Karkare exposed himself on the streets of Mumbai as shown by TV clips, putting his safety helmet on? Who shot him? The terrorists or some insider? Had he got his fate sealed with his successes in exposing the hitherto hidden Hindu terrorism side of Hindutva movement in India?

    2. How ‘Nariman House’ came into the focus of the terrorists? Why Indian TV Channels refrained from mentioning that the building was a residence of Israeli Jews in India, owned by a Jewish trust, Chabad-Lubavitch, as reported by Jerusalem Post. JP reported: Chabad-Lubavitch fears for the safety of its Mumbai rabbi.

    3. Why there was no news of any harm done to either the hostages in the Nariman House or the two five-star Hotels? Why the ‘terrorists’ became so coy in carrying out their ‘mission’. It smacks of some dubious antecedents of the ‘terrorists’.

    4. Has the ‘terrorist’ attacks in Mumbai, has some connections with the Delhi elections. It is being reported that BJP was to end up third after Congress and BSP in the elections. If BJP were to do so badly in Delhi elections, they would have to write off their hopes for a come-back in next Lok Sabha elections.

    5. Why CNN is connecting a local ‘terrorist’ attack to Al Qaida and making grounds for US/UK/Israel to muscle into the imbroglio as ‘interested parties’, so as to dictate terms on Indian government. Could it be a classic covert operation of entrapment of India?

    6. Is India being prepared for a localized war with Pakistan?

    Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai

    ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com

    http://www.ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com

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    8 Responses to “QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC ARENA ABOUT MUMBAI’S NIGHT OF TERROR – By Ghulam Muhammed”
    Mumbai, False Flag or Real Flag? « Divining the News (DTN) Says:

    November 27, 2008 at 11:03 am
    […] 3. Why there was no news of any harm done to either the hostages in the Nariman House or the two five-star Hotels? Why the ‘terrorists’ became so coy in carrying out their ‘mission’. It smacks of some dubious antecedents of the ‘terrorists’. More […]

    Rabbit Says:

    November 28, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    I have been asking the very same questions.

    I think I know what, or I should say who, is behind this.

    Lloyd Says:

    November 28, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    In the American media the story goes that the terrorists’ primary purpose was to kill foreigners — specifically those holding US and British passports. Thus far it appears few foreigners were killed.

    Daro Says:

    November 28, 2008 at 8:05 pm
    “…took these photos of my TV. CNN starts blurping “Al Qaeda” and then lists all these attacks intentionally conflating probable anti-elite attacks with Mooslims (as still-Preznit Bush calls them). They never say outright these attacks have any connection whatsoever, but the exploding fireball backgrounding a shot of the current crisis bracketing these unrelated incidents is ah… pretty freekin’ suggestive, no?”

    http://tokyojournal.blogspot.com/index.html#7527598150621907942

    Lyubov Says:

    November 29, 2008 at 12:38 am
    Extreme wing of Judaism is trying to stir up conflict between Pakistan and India. EOM

    R. Schulz Says:

    November 29, 2008 at 2:56 am
    If you want to know who comitted a crime, see who benefits from it. Who wants the only Muslim country with atomic weapons destroyed? Who wants war between India and Pakistan? Answer: Israel and its UK and US slaves.

    Commander Z, JEWS-DID-911dotcom Says:

    November 29, 2008 at 4:15 am
    http://judicial-inc.biz:80/811mumbai_and_the_mossad_angle.htm
    IT IS THE JEWS BEHIND THIS FALSE FLAG OPERATION. JEWS WANT A WAR BETWEEN PAKISTAN AND INDIA.
    Jews did 911 and all world wars and depressions.
    http://www.Jews-Did-911.com

    Gracchus Says:

    November 29, 2008 at 7:46 am
    To me, it is telling that these attacks came soon after the gas pipeline deal between India, Pakistan, Iran and possibly China was announced. The agreement aims at supplying India, Pakistan and China with Iranian natural gas. I strongly suspect that such a deal is NOT desired by the United States, Britain and Israel. What better means might this true “axis of evil” use to postpone the implementation of the agreement, renew the India-Pakistan conflict, and persuade New Delhi that dealing with “terrorist states” is not in India’s interest?

  28. December 5, 2008 8:57 pm

    Interesting perspective!

  29. David permalink
    December 5, 2008 9:23 pm

    False flag and black ops are specialisms and trade marks of the CIA and Mossad.

    There are many examples from the history of the last fifty years or so.

    Whenever there are terrorist attacks one has to be careful about where to attribute the blame because ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

    American has a long-term interest in Iraq (oil!). It has a long-term interest in what was the former Yugoslavia (oil pipelines). It has a long-term interest in Afghanistan (oil pipelines). It has an interest in Georgia (oil pipelines) and Azerbaijan (oil). It has an interest in the disintegration of Pakistan (pipelines through Baluchistan). It has a long-term interest in Central Asia (oil) and it has a long-term interest in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Iran (oil).

    Make no mistake about it, the politics of energy, particularly of oil and gas, is at the bottom of most of the military aggression in the world today. Weapons of mass destruction, seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction, violation of human rights, are all excuses given to justify military aggression, with or without UN approval, for securing oil/gas and its transport from the Middle East and Central Asia.

    Don’t rule out CIA/Mossad complicity in the Mumbai attacks. The Americans have made no secret that they have Pakistan in its sights.

  30. December 5, 2008 10:16 pm

    One more thing they have in common is ..both are gay as they work with group of boys only🙂

  31. December 5, 2008 10:39 pm

    a small eg : – naxalites are the oppressed farmers whose land was taken away by the land grabbing rich farmers of andhra.
    if we research deep rootedness of any terror , there was a always reason – deprivation of “x”factor.
    9/11 in the US was not a stray incident – the skirmishes with the bushes and the saudiarabia ( etc others ) were already fuming. and now cheney was planning to attack any way if they would get elected. meanwhile 9/11 happened. ( they themselves were surprised at the magnitude)
    nothing reaches to epic proportions until the water has reached the nostril.

    why is the banking sector dying –somebody up there stole everything – ( just drawing a parallel)

    roots of terror baby, roots of terror…everywhere.

  32. December 5, 2008 11:31 pm

    there has been sudden outbursts of the number of pirates off lately. be it pirates or be it terrorist ,no one holds good for me when it comes to torturing innocent people and killing them .
    besides nita i had like to mention this thing that pirates are becoming more common near the african continent . recently i read that in zimbabwe a new 100 million dollar note has been issued which cant even buy a loaf of bread in US. i think poverty and hunger is one cause for emergence of pirates near the african coast. but a country like pakistan is still better off , than why is there so much sense of insecurity?

  33. December 6, 2008 5:50 am

    On the dot. Remember how they glamorized Veerappan? I use to fume when the media spoke of him with such obvious reverence and respect.

    Lots of money and zero shame makes these crimes attractive to petty criminals. And of course this cannot thrive without direct or indirect support of the government and also the media.
    Phoolan Devi is another example.

  34. December 6, 2008 1:45 pm

    Nita, the major difference between pirates and terrorists is that pirates are less violent. Violence is threatened in the event of non-compliance but fortunately there have been no cases of violence so far in Somalian waters, where piracy seems to be the only growth industry. The reason could be that in case of violence the reaction of world community would be stronger.

  35. December 6, 2008 2:39 pm

    Atleast for the pirates money is the issue. Not some twisted sense of religious act like “jihad”. Also I think pirates are afraid of death. But terrorists are willing to sacrifice themselves for some cause and dont fear death. And one doesnt fear death is most dangerous.

  36. December 6, 2008 7:30 pm

    I just know one thing ..both should be wiped out ..
    I mean piracy is becoming too often these days ..before it becomes as hazardous as terrorism ..we should do something ..

  37. December 7, 2008 9:44 am

    Vinod, I see violent people as criminal minded. I know yo do not condone terrorists or violent people but I feel that no one needs to resort to violence to solve any problem. In fact I think violence is counterproductive. Also I have not said anywhere anything about execution. I find capital punishment repugnant. In fact I believe in jail reform, and an attempt to try and counsel jail inmates, see if they can be changed and be integrated into the society (dependign on their role in the criminal act) but first they need to be in jail for committing a violent act and they need to give up violence.

    Xylene, most of these so-called “terrorists” want loads of money, not just enough for their daily expenses.

    Paul, you always come up with some great insights. This was a feeling I always had but never articulated. Yes I believe that a person who is violent and criminal and selfish will behave in a similar way with his near and dear ones too.

    Chandni, thanks.

    Veresh,🙂

    anrosh, agreed. there are roots of terror everywhere but the point is not every group or every individual turns to it. If so, the human race would have been destroyed by now.

    Arpit, I have lived in Africa and the situation is different there. They are poorer, yes, but I think as a society there is a lot of violence going on there too, internally, countries like Kenya,Nigeria. Its just that we don’t hear too much about it as it is not published in the papers here.

    indianhomemaker, some bad people are glamourzied aren’t they and I think its the value of worshipping money. Sadly our Indian society is losing its core values and embracing that of money at all costs.

    Prerna, I guess the pirates are less violent because they know that if they kill their hostages no one will pay them. But yes, overall its true what everyone here has said, pirates will recruit a fair amount of non-violent people as killing is not necessary for their profession. Terrorists on the other hand will recruit only cold blooded violent people, as they want killers.

    Reema, yes this not fearing death is scary. Shows the extent of brainwashing.

    Arvind, at the end of it all, they are all criminals and should be locked up.

  38. December 7, 2008 4:44 pm

    I think pirates are much logical than terrorists. Atleast when a pirate says that he did it for money, you can understand that. When a terrorist says that he did it for religion, that is something which will never make sense to me.
    Both of them are criminals but I can understand poverty turning someone into a culprit. Terrorists have an entirely different set of motives which are unpardonable.

  39. An Indian, mumbaikar permalink
    December 9, 2008 2:14 pm

    They both have no brains and no proper goal

  40. wishtobeanon permalink
    December 9, 2008 7:44 pm

    Hi Nita, I found this link in another blog: http://www.onionuttapam.com/editorial/editorial/the-human-drama-called-terrorism.html

    The author may have good thoughts, but I think to imagine that the reaction to hunger should be the same as it is to terrorism is to me not an apt comparison. A lot is being done about world hunger, and I would say much more than is being done about terrorism. A lot of people are involved in fighting hunger. Its just that the reactions to terrorism are violent, because terrorism is violent. I do not think that these two things can be compared. Also, in India poor people have been affected by terrorism far more than rich people. The recent attack was an exception. – Nita.

  41. wishtobeanon permalink
    December 9, 2008 10:26 pm

    Hi Nita, on second reading, I realized that the author has written it with much anger. I don’t agree with everything he/she has written. Terrorists need attention and that is what they gain with these attacks. You can delete my last comment as well as this one.

    wishtobeanon, there is nothing wrong with the link. It gives another perspective, and we need all different perspectives here, whether we agree with it or not. However if you still want the link and this comment to be deleted, let me know. – Nita.

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